4th & 5th Amendment -- Citizen refusal to produce ID --- heard by U.S. Supreme Court "video"

Public Defender of Wyoming ^ | 2.17.2004 | Bill Scannell

[CHICAGOFARMER]

Freeprs should contact the Public Defender, keepandbeararms.com or the citizen directly for support.

[eno_]

Freedom begins with saying 'no'

Big BUMP to that.

[GrandEagle]

marked for future reference.
Great Post

[expat_panama]

Great Post-- thanks.

[Bikers4Bush]

What was the reason for dragging the woman out of the truck?

I didn't see where the cops did a single thing right in the video. Not one.

[Cultural Jihad]

Biometrics will make this issue moot.

[Mr Spock]

excellent post.

[archy]

Looks like it's time.

[archy]

I didn't see where the cops did a single thing right in the video. Not one

They're not cops any more. That's an armed criminal gang.

[agitator]

This kind of thing goes on day after day all over America except that most people just bend over instead of saying no.

Welcome to the People's Democratic Bananna Republic of America.

Baaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[CHICAGOFARMER]

What was the reason for dragging the woman out of the truck?

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The woman screaming forced open the door.

The thug throw the woman to the ground to protect himself.

The woman was the father daughter.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

Biometrics will make this issue moot.

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Help.

Bometrics will ?????

ha ha ha

[AppyPappy]

When all else fails you can always vote from the roof top.

What's that mean?

[eno_]

Hey CJ, if it had been your daughter, what would you do?

Would you stand by like a dickless worm?

[AppyPappy]

Let me see if I have this right. Some redneck refuses to show his ID and the FR cop killers get a hardon about it. If the cop hadn't asked for any ID and this guy turned out to be serial killer, the same FR cop killers would be whining about the ineffectiveness of the police.

Meanwhile TOOTHLESS FARMER wants to send everyone to the rooftops (except himself) which leads me to believe he might be a fed trolling for some stooges.

[Cultural Jihad]

What else does a police officer need to know in order to feel safe while he asks you questions? Your medical history? Perhaps a DNA sample would be in order. Home ownership status? Your tax records?

The use of liberal-style hyperbole makes the essayist look ... desperate and unreasonable.

[4CJ]

What's that mean?

'Vote from the rooftop' - means your ballot-box vote ain't worth a plug nickel, so to voice your opinion, one sends a 'high velocity' message. The 2nd Amendment vote.

[tracer]

During a Terry Stop, the officer - if he feels threatened - is also allowed to pat down the citizen to make sure the citizen has no weapons on him. This patdown is done for the officer's safety so that he can investigate to see if there is 'Probable Cause' to arrest the citizen without fear of the citizen harming the officer. Reasonable Suspicion is not enough to arrest: the officer must have Probable Cause.

It's astounding how many LEOs forget the key word in the "Terry stop" pat-down -- and that word is "articulable." And a judge gets to define that.

The actions of a subject, such as putting hands up, maintaining distance from the officer, showing palms, removing jacket, staying away from vehicles and "cover," being appropriately friendly and not too talkative, being courteous and losing the chip on one's shoulder, using appropriate body language, avoiding confrontational posture and eye contact, etc. does much to limit the extent to which said pat-down is based on a concern that the officer is able to articulate at a later time (i.e., in court).

The more immediate positive effect of the foregoing is avoiding being yet another source of fear for a usually decent LEO just trying to perform his/her job, and a tough one it is.......