4th & 5th Amendment -- Citizen refusal to produce ID --- heard by U.S. Supreme Court "video"

Public Defender of Wyoming ^ | 2.17.2004 | Bill Scannell

[Arpege92]

Wow....all of that in one incident huh? Death to the LEO's for trying very hard to not have to arrest an idiot and his daughter who were fighting on the side of the road. By law, these cops are required to investigate domestic disturbances and if one party is hurt, the other party is arrested even if the hurt party doesn't want to press charges.....IT'S THE LAW!

[Labyrinthos]

Deputy Dove arrested Dudley because he believed Dudley's refusal to show ID was 'Probable Cause' for an arrest.

Probable cause for arrest on what charge? I'm missing something.

[archy]

Biometrics will make this issue moot.

And anyone who refuses to submit to such procedures can be taken to one of the camps, and gassed or shot.

[Arpege92]

He was most likely arrested for disorderly conduct. If this man had cooperated with the police officer from the beginning then none of this would have happened.

[MineralMan]

"When all else fails you can always vote from the roof top.
What's that mean?"

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It means that the person saying it is perfectly willing for someone else to take up arms and shoot people.

[Arpege92]

"And anyone who refuses to submit to such procedures can be taken to one of the camps, and gassed or shot."

These camps you speak of....where are they?

[archy]

Wow....all of that in one incident huh? Death to the LEO's for trying very hard to not have to arrest an idiot and his daughter who were fighting on the side of the road.

Yep. Just like the L.A.P.D. goons jailed for the federal civil rights violations when they tried very hard not to arrest Rodney King when he kept attacking their flashlights and nightsticks with his head and face.

[MineralMan]

:When all else fails you can always vote from the roof top.

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I notice that you're saying that others can do this. What about you? It's easy to say that others should do something. Feh!

[eno_]

If you commit a war crime against an Iraqi soldier in the process of obeying an unlawful order, you can get the firing squad.

I'd propose making civil rights violations under color of authority a capital crime. Much cheaper than settling lawsuits, and probably far more effective. Calling a refusal to show ID "probable cause" is definitely way too stupid to live.

Currently we literally protect enemy soldiers more than we protect our fellow citizens.

[Labyrinthos]

I don't know about the state where this arrest took palce, but the definition of disorderly conduct in my state does not include refusal to produce and ID to a LEO on demand. If the guy is acting belligerent or disorderly in public than the probable cause exists regardless of whether he produces an ID.

[jmstein7]

Crim Pro BUMP!

[archy]

"And anyone who refuses to submit to such procedures can be taken to one of the camps, and gassed or shot."

These camps you speak of....where are they?

When you have the need to know, you'll be provided with a free ride. Now move along, nothing for you to see here.

[Dead Corpse]

Sh*t. If ol' Dudley didn't do Mimi any damage during their spat, that asshat cop sure as heck did with that take down. If you watch close, you can see her head bounce when she hits the ground.

Of course, FR's bootlickers are already here as a cheerleading squad so don't expect cogent arguments. Come to think of it, they'll probably get it kicked to the back room as fast as possible.

[AppyPappy]

My daughter would not be hanging around some drunk redneck and she wouldn't be in the truck acting like some psychotic white trash.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

When all else fails you can always vote from the roof top.
What's that mean?

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Firearm owners always have a vote.

[Labyrinthos]

Death to the LEO's for trying very hard to not have to arrest an idiot and his daughter who were fighting on the side of the road. By law, these cops are required to investigate domestic disturbances and if one party is hurt, the other party is arrested even if the hurt party doesn't want to press charges.....IT'S THE LAW!

You're not making sense. If the daughter is there and she identifies the person she was fighting with as her father, then why did they need to see his ID? And if the arrest was mandatory in domestic disputes where a party is hurt, then why is the refusal to produce the ID probable cause for an arrest which is apparently required by law?

[Tacis]

See, this is where the Mexican illegal alien criminals are way ahead of us. They all have half a dozen fake ID matricula cards, one for traffic stops, one for drug stops, one to collect state benefits, one for medical benefits and so on. Cop asks for ID, you give him one and a whole bunch of johnny-the-dunce answers and he'll soon get frustrated and let you get back to your criminal activity.

Sure, if you are white (or even black), the Mexican consular employees will charge you more to overlook some of the obvious errors in the documents you "rented" in the parking lot, but the extra dollars are well worth it. If you ever spend time in Mexico in the future, you'll be able to claim an additional social security benefit in the name on each of your matricula cards.

You would have shown this card to the cop. He would have seen you were doing nothing but would record your information on his computer before telling you to move on. The computer entry would be part of your proof in Mexico that you were here, working, but your boss wasn't remitting payroll taxes.

[eno_]

And you are quite sure nobody would ever dime her out just to teach a jackboot licker like you a lesson? You have absolute faith the cops would do some checking before pulling her over for a drug bust if a CI happened to get paid to misremember something?

[CHICAGOFARMER]

When all else fails you can always vote from the roof top.
Ah, the Salon Bolsheviki is more than willing to encourage other people to do that which they themselves do not have the courage of their own convictions to do

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When you are ready to form ranks shoulder to shoulder, Will I see you on the left or the right of my shoulder??