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Pak, US forces move against al-Qaeda
Hi Pakistan ^ | Feb 18 2004 | N/A

Posted on 02/18/2004 9:45:29 AM PST by Dog

Pak, US forces move against al-Qaeda

WASHINGTON: The Pakistani military is moving toward "hammer-and-anvil" operations with US forces across the border in Afghanistan for the first time to crush al-Qaeda fighters hiding in the tribal areas, the top US commander in Afghanistan said on Tuesday.

"There’s unfinished business in this part of the world and we’re making every effort here during the coming months to close those efforts out," said Lt-Gen David Barno, commander of the US-led coalition forces in Afghanistan.

"And as I tell people for all of the terrorist organisations, it’s very clear in my mind, as I look to the future, that the sands in their hourglass is running out," he said in a video conference from Afghanistan with Pentagon reporters.

Barno, who recently predicted that US forces will capture al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden this year, said his entire force was "energised" with the mission of bringing the man behind the September 11 attacks and others to justice.

Pakistani military forces have moved into the tribal areas that lie along the Afghan border over the past few months for the first time in the country’s history amid dramatically improved cooperation with US forces, the general said. "We’re moving in the direction of cooperative operations on both sides of the border - a hammer and anvil approach if you will," Barno said. "Where al-Qaeda may be driven from the Pakistani side, we’re ready to receive them on the Afghan side, and use our forces in concert with Afghan forces on this side of the border to be able to crush the al-Qaeda elements between the Pakistani and coalition forces," he said.

Over the past six-to-eight weeks, Pakistani military and paramilitary forces have leaned on tribal leaders to root out al-Qaeda and other foreign fighters that have taken refuge in the region, he said. They are using "enforcement mechanisms" such as home demolitions to ensure that tribal leaders and others comply, he said. "The fact they are now there, the fact they are confronting the tribal elders and they are holding them accountable for activities in their area, which is a major step forward, is something we’re watching with great interest, and there is some cautious optimism that it will have a positive effect," he said.

Barno, who assumed command in Afghanistan in October, also has embarked on what he described as a classic counter-insurgency strategy to smother Taliban and al-Qaeda insurgencies in the violent southern and south-eastern parts of the country. Rather than mount periodic military sweeps in different regions of the country from bases as has been the pattern in the past, Barno said he is basing units in areas of operation in the belief that a continuous presence will yield better intelligence and relations with locals. "And the units ultimately get great depth of knowledge, understanding and much better intelligence access to the people of those areas by owning, as it were, those chunks of territory," he said.

Behroz Khan adds from Peshawar: A new coalition military base has been established at Char Goti area of Khost province, which shares borders with Pakistan’s Kurram Agency and both ground and air surveillance, has been increased for the last three days.

Eyewitnesses and some government officials from the political administration in Kurram Agency said to have reports that the movement of US and allied forces across the border has been increased and the new base has been set up just five kilometres from Pakistan border.

This is the first time that US forces have established the base in the area. Naeem Kochey, a prominent Afghan figure and former minister for Frontiers and Tribes, belongs to this area. He is now in the custody of the US forces. Taliban and al-Qaeda presence cannot be ruled out in the area, the sources said.

Sources claimed that about 350 coalition troops have been sent to the area amid day-night aerial and ground search. It is still not clear to the local population on both sides of the border that whether arrival of the troops was part of the disarmament drive to collect lethal weapons or was meant to hunt for Osama bin Laden or suspect terrorists from al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

But a general impression among the people and the Pakistani officials serving in the border areas is that the presence of such a huge force would only mean to hunt for Osama and his top lieutenants. Osama is believed to be hiding in the border areas between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

A sizeable number of Pak troops were also reported to have arrived in Alizai area of Kurram Agency, which is on the border with Khost. The officials from the military as well as political administration of the tribal agency, however, said it was a routine matter and nothing special was taking place. "As many as 20 military vehicles of Pak army have arrived in Alizai," said an eyewitness.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedapakistan; davidbarno; oef; pakistan; southasia
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This article tells of a new base in the Char Goti area of Khost province......this confirms an article a week or so ago of a major troop movement in this general area......they even moved in housing in the form of house trailers(60) to be exact. Another interesting thing in this article is our use of "kill boxes"....we set up a small unit in a area ......and if bad guys venture into that area....they die....or are captured.
1 posted on 02/18/2004 9:45:29 AM PST by Dog
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To: swarthyguy; Cap Huff; Boot Hill
Bott Hill can you link a map to this thread of the Char Goti area of Afghanistan.

Cap remember that meeting Tenet had with someone in Pakistan last week....this could be one of the reasons that meeting has held ......and why it was kept so quiet.

2 posted on 02/18/2004 9:48:07 AM PST by Dog
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To: Dog
This unilateralism is unacceptable! We need the UN involved!

(yeah, that was sarcasm.)

3 posted on 02/18/2004 9:48:45 AM PST by Publius Maximus (Compassionate Conservatism: Profligate Liberal Spending With A Conservative Rhetorical Twist)
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To: Dog
Be focused, be effective, and be safe Warriors!
4 posted on 02/18/2004 9:49:26 AM PST by Coop ("Hero" is the last four-letter word I'd use to describe John Kerry.)
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To: Dog
Great article Dog. Makes me all the more p*ssed at the Rats and presstitutes flat out lying to the people. The GOP needs to hammer these facts, somehow. God Bless our Troops, Allies and d*mn the Evildoers and their enablers....
5 posted on 02/18/2004 9:56:24 AM PST by eureka! (Hey Rats and Presstitutes, how's the turnout in the primaries? *snicker*)
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To: Dog
I thought all of our attention was in Iraq??
6 posted on 02/18/2004 10:00:43 AM PST by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: Dog
Interesting development.
7 posted on 02/18/2004 10:03:15 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Publius Maximus
I think we ought to send Kerry to Afghanistan to act as an Democrat observer of how Republicans fight a war*.

*ie: to win!

8 posted on 02/18/2004 11:00:54 AM PST by HardStarboard (Dump Wesley Clark.....he worries me as much as Hillary!)
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To: Dog
I don't suppose this has anything to do with the announcement that Binny boy would be taken this year.
9 posted on 02/18/2004 11:05:57 AM PST by colorado tanker ("There are but two parties now, Traitors and Patriots")
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To: colorado tanker; Dog
well it does of course, Lofuts was predicting "within 2 months" on the radio last night.

but I just find it hard to believe with all this information floating around, that OBL is just sitting around waiting. why doesn't he make a run for it?
10 posted on 02/18/2004 11:15:07 AM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview
Shh. That's what they want.
11 posted on 02/18/2004 11:28:20 AM PST by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: Dog
"that meeting Tenet"

I have no doubt that a "final push" to get OBL et.al. would have been on the agenda. If I recall correctly the "high official" came with quite a working entourage. This has been building for some time, and the pace seems to be picking up dramatically. I think the Kahn affair offered the possibility of some very creative inducements for certain people in the leadership there. That possibly broke some ice.

By the way that State Dept guy Rademaker should begin his visit tomorrow. Nukes are surely on the agenda.
12 posted on 02/18/2004 11:28:55 AM PST by Cap Huff
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To: oceanview
We heard similar statements about Saddam for a few months before he was captured. I think once they have him confined to a small area they want to see if they can get him running, when he would be easier to catch. If Osama wanted to run, he should have done that a long time ago when he could have made it to Karachi or Kashmir.
13 posted on 02/18/2004 12:17:12 PM PST by colorado tanker ("There are but two parties now, Traitors and Patriots")
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To: oceanview
Maybe this whole thing was designed to get OBL moving..
14 posted on 02/18/2004 12:20:03 PM PST by Dog
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To: Dog
Pictures!!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1080579/posts
15 posted on 02/18/2004 3:07:49 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Dog; Coop; swarthyguy; Cap Huff
      Dog:   "Boot Hill can you link a map to this thread of the Char Goti area of Afghanistan."

Houston, we have a problem...

Many of the areas identified in the article are either non-existent, mis-identified or are such obscure features that they are not even listed on the authoritative Geographic Names Database (5.5 million entries) or The Times Atlas of the World (85,000 entries).

But I can piece together for you, where the action is occurring. For reference while reading along, click on both of the following map links (they'll open in new windows).

MAP OF AFGHANISTAN Map scale is about 62 miles to the inch.
MAP OF PAKISTAN Map scale is about 62 miles to the inch.

Hi Pakistan reports:   "A new coalition military base has been established at Char Goti area of Khost province..."

SIDEBAR:
For purposes of the following discussion, [Alt][Tab] your screen between the Afghanistan map and this thread. Note in particular, the parrot's beak of Paki land (and the town of Parachinar) extending into Afghanistan that points towards the capitol of Kabul. Along the southern extent of that parrot's beak is the area sometimes referred to as the Khowst area. This, and the Paki side of the same border area, is where the operations described in the article are taking place.
There are three problems with the above quote from the article...
First, According to the references sources identified above, there is no town, place or geophysical feature named "Char Goti" nor any variant of that name. Even worse (!), a Google search gives zero results for that name. (What the heck is this world coming too?)

But all is not lost, because the article also states that "the new base has been set up just five kilometres from Pakistan border" and that the base is in the Khowst area. The only militarily important feature in the Khowst area that is located anywhere near that described in the article, is the Batai mountain pass, a place of much terrorist traffic into and out of Pakistan. The Batai pass is located on the tip of that point of land near Khowst, jutting into Pakistan and pointing towards the town of Thal.

If this guess is correct, it would sound like a strategic place to locate the base, because from there, they can deny terrorist access to an important travel, communications and supply route, while at the same time, occupy the high ground overlooking the Khowst area.

Second, there is no Khost Province, nor even a Khowst Province in Afghanistan. At the most, the area surrounding the town of Khowst, is sometimes referred to as the Khowst area. Khowst is, in fact, located in Paktia Province (not to be confused with Paktika Province, located immediately to the south of Paktia Province). Note, however the Afghanistan map purports to show a Khowst Province. That map is in error on that point.

Third, the place name isn't Khost, it is Khowst. The spelling Hi Pakistan uses in this article is an incorrect variant of the officially recognized spelling (see references above). Since there is a real town of Khost located nearby in Pakistan, the difference in spelling is important if you wish to avoid confusion.

Hi Pakistan reports:   "...which shares borders with Pakistan’s Kurram Agency..."

Pakistan has four special districts that are not true provinces. One of them is the so-called "Federally Administered Tribal Areas" that is located along Pakistan's western frontier with Afghanistan (see Pakistan map). Administrative districts within the Tribal Areas are known as "Agencies". The Kurram Agency comprises the area I've been calling the parrot's beak and includes the town of Alizai (mentioned in the article as an area).

In other words, when al Qaida terrorists transit the mountains, either along the southern extent of the parrot's beak associated with the Khowst area, or the northern area of the beak associated with the infamous Tora Bora mountains, those terrorists must pass through the Kurram Agency or even the North Waziristan Agency. Pakistan becomes the "anvil" in this hammer and anvil strategy, by forcing the tribal leaders in those agencies to take responsibility for harboring those terrorists.

Dog, I hope these verbal descriptions that located features mentioned in the article, to places on the low res maps (above), was a passable substitute for the high res map of the entire parrot's beak area, that I don't have.

--Boot Hill

16 posted on 02/18/2004 5:41:17 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: Boot Hill
BUMP.

I hope Robin Moore is chronicling this whole OP too.
17 posted on 02/18/2004 5:47:48 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Dog; Coop; swarthyguy; Cap Huff
I found this map of the parrot's beak area from an online source of world wide maps similar to mapquest.com. Since they don't authenticate or source their maps, I have no special reason to trust them. I especially don't like the way they fail to show the mountains along the southern portion of the Parrot's beak, adjacent to the Khowst region.

Notice that there are two paths (not roads) that lead from Khowst over the mountains to the Paki cities of Sadda and Alizai (which was mentioned in the story).

Anyway, here's the map (at a scale of about 22 miles to the sreen inch).


--Boot Hill

18 posted on 02/18/2004 7:29:48 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: Boot Hill
Thank you for trying to locate a map .....and thanks for the explanation of the area.
19 posted on 02/19/2004 4:19:47 AM PST by Dog
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To: Boot Hill; Cap Huff; swarthyguy; Coop; Angelus Errare
I found this over at DAWN and thought you all might if this interesting.

Operation against Al-Qaeda, Taliban launched in Afghanistan: KABUL, Feb 19: Afghan soldiers and militia have started joint operation in border areas of Paktia, Zabul, Khost, and Helmand provinces against Taliban. Head of Afghan forces in Gardez, Jano Mangal said that our forces have been deployed in border areas in order to launch operation against terrorist. According to VOA reports, the Kabul government has been trying to seek support of Afghan tribal elders for arresting Al-Qaeda and. Similarly, search operations have also been going on in Khost, Zabul and Helmand. (PPI) (Posted @ 12:40 PST)

Haven't been able to find an article yet at Google News about this operation.

20 posted on 02/19/2004 5:02:22 AM PST by Dog
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