No End to War. The Frum-Perle prescription would ensnare America in endless conflict.

The American Conservative ^ | 1 march 04 | Patrick J. Buchanan

[reluctantwarrior]

We laugh at PBs anti-joos (preferredFR spelling) rants at our own peril. He demagogues this issue and can't see the timber in his own eye. We are at war and have been since 1979 when the Iranians took the hostages. This is not a neocon adventure in imperialism, this is a war for the survival of liberty on this planet. If liberty is lost here it will not be rekindled elsewhere.

[Howlin]

At the end of the day, the real problem is not Buchanan and his ilk, but our fellow Americans who have been lulled back into a sense of security.

I suggest that you have sadly misjudged your fellow citizens. The news and Mr. Buchanan may think it's no big deal, but nobody I have met or talked to has stopped thinking about it.

[Howlin]

LOL!

[Howlin]

Ain't we all ?

I, for one, am not interested in the raving of a person proverbially on the outside looking in, desperately trying to be somebody by denigrading others who know more than he does.

[Atlantic Friend]

The same goes for his attacks on the immigration plan ?

[jpl]

Once that Father Coughlin influence takes hold, it never completely goes away.

[Filibuster_60]

I didn't say it correctly. Yes, I myself remain concerned about terrorism. I'm sure even Pat Buchanan is concerned - he's always advocated stricter border controls and predicted that lax security might lead to a catastrophic attack on US soil a few years before 9/11.

What I meant to say is, even assuming most Americans are worried about terrorism, that doesn't mean they'll support more preemptive warfare as Perle & Frum advocate.

What I don't like about Perle & Frum's hypothesis is they advocate total war but pretend that half-measures can work. I think Iraq proves they don't. Do we seriously think we can eliminate the North Korean threat without actually invading and losing thousands of lives in the process? Do we seriously believe that merely threatening the Saudis with military action will compel them to cooperate?

Wars can't be won cheaply. It must be indicative of the magnitude of the task before us that even Perle & Frum are afraid to reveal the true sacrifices we must make.

[Howlin]

The same goes for every word he writes: I'm not interested in what Pat Buchanan has to say about anything, period.

He's a loser trying to stay relevant by trashing people who actually DO instead of TALK.

Plain enough?

[Atlantic Friend]

Well, you're not interested, OK. Fine by me, each to his own.

[A. Pole]

The Frum-Perle prescription would ensnare America in endless conflict.

Bump.

[ScreamingFist]

"What I don't like about Perle & Frum's hypothesis is they advocate total war but pretend that half-measures can work. I think Iraq proves they don't. Do we seriously think we can eliminate the North Korean threat without actually invading and losing thousands of lives in the process? Do we seriously believe that merely threatening the Saudis with military action will compel them to cooperate?"

Well said. All the Buchanan bashing aside, there are many excellent points made in the article.

[Filibuster_60]

If "staying the course" is the way to go, I'm thinking Perle and Frum would be more disappointed than Pat.

Here's a more balanced conservative review of the book. Makes most of the best points Pat does without going off on a Jews-tangent:

http://acuf.org/issues/issue4/040120med.asp

[aculeus]

But how is our survival as a nation menaced when not one American has died in a terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11?

Then: Buke bragged about his IQ.

Now: it hasn't yet happened therefore it will not happen.

Candidate for CIA Director in the Kerry Administration?

[hchutch]

In my opinion, yes.

There are a number of conservatives who do support Bush's plan - like Linda Chavez, Malcolm Wallop, Jack Kemp, and Grover Norquist.

[Valin]

As I suspected all along!


Patrick J. Buchanan
"Ordinarily he was insane, but he had lucid moments when he was merely stupid."
Heinrich Heine

As an aside this is a VERY good book 3 thumbs up.

[Filibuster_60]

Just remember one thing about Perle: He's the one who boasted before the war that it would take only 40,000 troops to take Iraq in a matter of days, and after Saddam's fall the Iraqi exiles would easily install a pro-American, pro-Israeli government. Had he been correct we'd have less than 10,000 troops in Iraq now, Ahmed Chalabi would be the sovereign Iraqi leader, Iraq's oil would be paying for the bulk of our military costs not to mention reconstruction, there'd be no ethnic tension between Sunni, Kurd & Shia, we'd be in a good position to clobber Syria & Iran, etc, etc.

Is this the kind of person whose advice you'd trust?

[JimRed]

GO, PAT, GO...(AWAY)

[Valin]

Militant Islam will ensnare the US in endless war

Endless? Riiight.

[u-89]

>I'm not interested in what Pat Buchanan has to say about anything, period.

Then why do you regularly show up on Buchanan posts? Is your day that void of productive activities or do you have an obsessive attraction to things you dislike?