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Fort Bragg soldier flees to Canada [Traitor alert!]
Independent Weekly ^
| February 11, 2004
| Patrick O'Neill
Posted on 02/18/2004 7:10:26 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: retrokitten
He was a very good soldier. But he doesn't want to kill.Does not compute.
To: Kenton
Looks like Kerry lost another vote... ROFL
To: realpatriot71
"My question was could you ever concieve of a time where such actions would be appropriate on the part of the soldier as being more patriotic than fighting an "evil" war (again - not saying that is the case here)."I would have to say that I could only agree if the soldier stood on the courage of his convictions and faced the retribution and punishment that was to follow. Running away doesn't ever show courage. If he had refused to get on the plane, if he had deployed but then .. as another poster suggested .. refuse to carry a weapon, if he had gotten his elected representatives involved, the Army may have decided he wasn't worth the effort, hammered him with a couple of non-judicial punishment records, and given him a general discharge for unfitness to perform military duties.
I am a military retiree and a DA civilian ... I collect all my livelihood from Uncle Sam. Should a second "Civil War" erupt for one reason or another I'm going to have to choose sides. But I will do so with my eyes wide open, knowing what might happen should I decide that my beliefs require me to bite the hand that feeds me.
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posted on
02/18/2004 9:23:36 AM PST
by
BlueLancer
(Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
To: realpatriot71
I guess my question was, is it EVER concieveable that a political motivation is TOO much to ask a soldier to die?If that possibility even crosses your mind at any point prior to enlisting, DO NOT ENLIST.
Political decisions are NOT in the soldier's purview.
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posted on
02/18/2004 9:26:09 AM PST
by
Poohbah
("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
To: Constitution Day
"That's one of the reasons that got me thinking that I was in the wrong place. If you think logically, that makes sense. If you can't kill an animal, how can you kill a human?" Well, hey? Is it still an all volunteer army? Yeah, I thought so.
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posted on
02/18/2004 9:30:39 AM PST
by
My back yard
(The world is changed; I can feel it in the water, in the earth, I can smell it in the air.)
To: Constitution Day
Jeremy Hinzman enlisted to make a difference, then learned what being a soldier is really all aboutNo, he sold his soul for the college money, as he said.
This guys needed a job. and got one with the Armed Forces. Let him stay in Canada.
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posted on
02/18/2004 9:33:19 AM PST
by
My back yard
(The world is changed; I can feel it in the water, in the earth, I can smell it in the air.)
To: Carolinamom
Does not compute. ![](http://users.snowcrest.net/fox/robot1.GIF)
For me either.
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posted on
02/18/2004 9:36:28 AM PST
by
retrokitten
(If by 'wanking' you mean educational fun, then let's get wanking! -Principal Skinner)
To: BlueLancer
I would have to say that I could only agree if the soldier stood on the courage of his convictions and faced the retribution and punishment that was to follow. Running away doesn't ever show courage. If he had refused to get on the plane, if he had deployed but then .. as another poster suggested .. refuse to carry a weapon, if he had gotten his elected representatives involved, the Army may have decided he wasn't worth the effort, hammered him with a couple of non-judicial punishment records, and given him a general discharge for unfitness to perform military duties. Good points.
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posted on
02/18/2004 9:41:19 AM PST
by
realpatriot71
("But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise . . ." (I Cor. 1:27))
To: Poohbah
"War is politics by other means."
Yes, that is true. But the soldier should never be involved in the politics of the battle. Otherwise, he risks meeting at the front line with an unloaded gun.
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posted on
02/18/2004 9:44:00 AM PST
by
My back yard
(The world is changed; I can feel it in the water, in the earth, I can smell it in the air.)
To: Poohbah
If that possibility even crosses your mind at any point prior to enlisting, DO NOT ENLIST. Political decisions are NOT in the soldier's purview. I suppose all things being equal a man could enlist, and, while in service, the country could change philosophically. It's a possibility. I do not know what a soldier is to do then. However, bluelancer made some good points. This guy might have a moral legal to stand on if he'd stayed to face the music of his decision instead of running away.
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posted on
02/18/2004 9:44:37 AM PST
by
realpatriot71
("But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise . . ." (I Cor. 1:27))
To: My back yard
Exactly my point: the decision to go to war--or to not go to war--is a political one, not a military one.
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posted on
02/18/2004 9:45:02 AM PST
by
Poohbah
("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
To: realpatriot71
I suppose all things being equal a man could enlist, and, while in service, the country could change philosophically. It's a possibility. I do not know what a soldier is to do then.We used to say that "USMC" stood for "U Signed the Motherf***ing Contract."
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posted on
02/18/2004 9:46:00 AM PST
by
Poohbah
("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
To: ohioWfan
Thought this article would be a sharp contrast to your son, ohio.
Thank you to Eric for his devotion to our great country and the freedom we hold dear but too often take for granted.
To: Constitution Day
To: Constitution Day
I have no problem with him going to Canada.
I just hope he STAYS there.
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posted on
02/18/2004 9:55:14 AM PST
by
Dan from Michigan
("You know it don't come easy, the road of the gypsy" - Iron Eagle)
To: 2banana
They don't deserve the appellation of American! Rescind their citizenships...if they won't fight for freedom they aren't worthy of being a citizens of this country. Freedom isn't free...anywhere or anytime; it takes brave people to maintain it.
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posted on
02/18/2004 9:58:02 AM PST
by
yoe
(WMD come in small containers/vials...small minds don't want you to know that.)
To: Constitution Day
He's a pacifist? I thought that pacifists didn't join the military, that it was against their belief system?
To: Leatherneck_MT
Funny/Sad story. When I was in college a friend of mine wanted to enroll in the ROTC course just to get the wilderness training, etc. He had no desire to become military.
When he got to the part on the form about drugs, he asked me whether he should answer honestly. I said no, because he was just going for some training, not enlisting, don't risk having a permanent file on record.
Well, he answered truthfully, and in the interview the subject was brought up -- ha had been very honest, ha ha ha.
The officer asked what the deal was and they had a brief discussion. The nub of it:
Officer: "This is quite a list."
Friend: "Um, yeah."
Officer: "Look, are you a pacifist?"
Friend: "No, absolutely not."
Officer: "OK, we just don't want pacifists."
Sounds like no one asked this guy if he was a pacifist.
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posted on
02/18/2004 10:01:20 AM PST
by
Gothmog
(The 2004 election won't be about what one did in the military, but on how one would use it)
To: Constitution Day
Hinzman, a native of Rapid City, S.D., admits he was not a typical soldier. A Catholic convert who also follows Buddhist teachings and enjoys the silent worship of Quakers, Hinzman was a military misfit from the get-go. His fellow soldiers were weirded out by his meditation regimen and his choice to not eat meat. This guy is right out of the phych books.
What-a-mess!
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posted on
02/18/2004 10:08:25 AM PST
by
Cold Heat
("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
To: dixie sass
One of my dad's friends was an conscientious observor during Nam. He was a medic.
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posted on
02/18/2004 10:12:53 AM PST
by
Dan from Michigan
("You know it don't come easy, the road of the gypsy" - Iron Eagle)
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