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Fort Bragg soldier flees to Canada [Traitor alert!]
Independent Weekly ^ | February 11, 2004 | Patrick O'Neill

Posted on 02/18/2004 7:10:26 AM PST by Constitution Day

Fort Bragg soldier flees to Canada

Jeremy Hinzman enlisted to make a difference, then learned what being a soldier is really all about

By Patrick O'Neill

(First of Two Parts)

February 11, 2004
NEWS FEATURE

On New Year's Eve, Jeremy Hinzman sat in a McDonald's on N.C. 401 in Fuquay-Varina explaining his precarious situation. On Dec. 20, Hinzman, a U.S. Army specialist stationed at Fort Bragg, got the news he had dreaded. His unit--the 504th Brigade, 2nd Battalion--would be shipping out to Iraq shortly after the new year for an indefinite deployment in the war on terrorism. Last year, Hinzman, 25, the father of a 1-year-old son, was deployed for more than eight months to Afghanistan. When he left, Hinzman's son, Liam, was just 7 months old. When Hinzman returned, Liam was walking and didn't remember his father. While he didn't see any combat in that first deployment, Hinzman said he had a bad feeling about going to Iraq.



Hinzman, his wife, Nga Nguyen, and their son, Liam

In Iraq, Hinzman, said he felt like he would have to do some things he'd regret. During Christmas leave, Hinzman, who is a member of the Fayetteville Friends Meeting, discussed his options with his wife, Nga Nguyen. He could go to Iraq--an option both he and Nguyen rejected. He could refuse the deployment order and face court martial and a likely prison term. Or he could follow a plan of action that thousands of young men like himself had taken during the Vietnam War--he could flee to Canada.

He chose option three. On Jan. 2, Hinzman and his family packed up their small car with a few essentials, leaving almost all of their possessions behind. They left post housing under the cover of darkness for the 17-hour drive to the U.S.-Canadian border. Quakers living in the U.S. made contacts in Ontario, and the family was set up with places to stay until they moved into a Toronto apartment on Feb. 1.

A story in the Feb. 7 edition of the Toronto Globe and Mail, says Hinzman is believed to be the first U.S. soldier to file for refugee status in Canada for refusing duty in Iraq. The report says Hinzman's case is "the first echo of the 12,000 deserters and 20,000 draft resisters who came north more than 30 years ago to escape the Vietnam War."

Before enlisting, Hinzman said he was searching for some meaning in his life, and the military--which had a "higher purpose"--was better than working just for the sake of making a buck. "I guess I just kind of sold my soul for the college money," he said. "That's probably a little too blunt. I had this notion that, "Hey, I'm going to go and get paid to exercise, shoot weapons and jump out of planes,' and that sounded real fun. It didn't matter to me at that point.

"I was just young, and I didn't feel I was really going anywhere."

Hinzman admits he got in over his head. When he joined the Army, he said he was expecting Al Gore to be elected president. The terror attacks of 9-11 were still an unimaginable horror. But the Iraq war forced him to reassess his values.

"It's a political decision, which as a soldier I'm not really entitled to have," he said. "But I feel that if I had gone to Iraq I would be in a sense putting myself into a criminal enterprise and becoming a criminal because it's a war--or an act of aggression. I don't think it can be called a war--based on false pretenses in terms of weapons of mass destruction, the links to al Qaeda and bringing democracy to Iraq.

"Because if democracy was to happen in Iraq, the Shiites would take power, and they would by no means be a friendly government towards the U.S. or its interests. So I don't want to risk my life for that, and I don't think the government should risk the lives of our country's young for that, and also to line the pockets of big corporations. I mean the obvious example is Haliburton.

"It's kind of, to me, messed up to go destroy a country's infrastructure and then have an auction to see who can rebuild it. It just smells bad to me, and I don't want to be part of it, nor do I want to kill people or be some place where I wasn't wanted. There are a lot of governments and leaders in the world that we don't necessarily like, but we're not going there. For example, Zimbabwe--we don't do anything about Robert Mugabe. I mean he's just as bad a tyrant as Saddam Hussein was, but why aren't we there? It's obviously about economics. I don't want to be a pawn in that game."

Hinzman, a native of Rapid City, S.D., admits he was not a typical soldier. A Catholic convert who also follows Buddhist teachings and enjoys the silent worship of Quakers, Hinzman was a military misfit from the get-go. His fellow soldiers were weirded out by his meditation regimen and his choice to not eat meat.

For the most part, Hinzman said he kept his political and moral views to himself, "although I won't deny I was known as the liberal, and this is in a culture where everybody watches Fox News. There aren't very many vegetarians in the Army, so that would open up a whole bag of tricks."

Hinzman's peers would ask a logical question: "Well, if you can't eat an animal or if you can't kill an animal, how can you kill a human?"

"They did ask those kind of questions, and it did raise their eyebrows," Hinzman said. "That's one of the reasons that got me thinking that I was in the wrong place. If you think logically, that makes sense. If you can't kill an animal, how can you kill a human?"

Hinzman also felt uncomfortable with the Army mindset that encouraged misogyny and violence. Particularly, he remembers the indoctrination of the troops during basic training. During exercises, the new recruits would drill using macabre chants.

"When we were marching around chanting songs like, "Train to kill. Kill we will,' or during bayonet training they'd ask, "What makes the grass grow?' and we'd say "Blood, blood, bright red blood.'

"When we would thrust [the bayonet], the drill sergeant would yell that, and we'd have to scream back. People would actually get hoarse yelling this crap. I could never really get into that stuff. Some people ate it up because I think there is an opportunity in groups to kind of let go of your inhibitions and do wanton things...

"It's all presented, at least on the surface, as, "Oh, it's just in humor, and no one's around listening to it,' but I think that really does put that mindset in a soldier that they're killers."

The atmosphere was surreal, he said. "It's what you think about when you think of a dystopian novel, just all these mindless drones walking around, and the sad thing is that they were individuals with thoughts and feelings, and, at least when they're at work, that's lost much of the time."

The military mindset also fosters a rejection of feminist/maternal values, Hinzman said.

"It's a very misogynistic place to be in," he said. "Everyday conversation, it's like a gangsta rap song the way women are referred to by people you would never suspect of talking that way. There is a lot of domestic violence in the Army, and marriages don't work and women are objectified."

The circumstances required enormous self-discipline, Hinzman said. "I would have this constant dialogue with myself," he said, "and sometimes I'd have to force it because when you're around something enough, when you're in an environment enough, you do tend to become a product of that environment.

"Like for instance, I swore all the time, and I would have to make these resolutions that I'm not going to swear because that's the first step on the road to losing yourself; your autonomy. It's almost expected that you're going to refer to women and the enemy in negative terms, objectifying the people you fight against so they no longer have humanity. I had to bite my tongue constantly."

While he would occasionally have meaningful conversations with his peers, for the most part, Hinzman kept to himself.

"When you're at work you put on your game face, especially as a lower enlisted person," he said. "You don't really talk about the moral ramifications of what you're doing. Everyday discussion is kind of stultified."

In Part 2 of this report, Hinzman tells about his failed effort to be placed in a noncombat assignment as a conscientious objector, and what the future looks like for him and his family in Canada.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; US: North Carolina; US: South Dakota; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: answer; buddhist; communistagenda; deserter; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; southdakota; traitor; unhelpful; upj; vegetarian; weenie
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To: Constitution Day
Before enlisting, Hinzman said he was searching for some meaning in his life, and the military--which had a "higher purpose"--was better than working just for the sake of making a buck. "I guess I just kind of sold my soul for the college money," he said.

Hmmmm.

As I recall, the stated "legal" fig leaf that draft dodgers used to avoid extradition from Canada back to the US during the Vietnam era was that Canada has no law against the practice. However, Canada surely has laws against knowingly signing a contract in bad faith (in this case, a contract to receive funding for college from the US taxpayer in return for serving in the military for a set period of time). In other words, fraud.

I say extradite this traitorous coward back to the land of the big PX and prosecute him for fraud.

81 posted on 02/18/2004 8:00:15 AM PST by Johnny_Cipher (Making hasenfeffer out of bunnyrabbits since 1980)
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To: Mo1
Culturally lost.
82 posted on 02/18/2004 8:00:21 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Constitution Day
Quakers living in the U.S. made contacts in Ontario, and the family was set up with places to stay until they moved into a Toronto apartment on Feb. 1.

Traitors. Can we find out how to get these people prosecuted?

83 posted on 02/18/2004 8:00:32 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt-- Pray for Terry Schiavo!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
There are plenty of stories from WWII and other wars of devout pacifists serving as stretcher-bearers, medics, nurses etc. The fact is, if this guy really was morally opposed to killing another human being, there are many ways for him to finish his service without having to fire on anyone. I personally have no problems with pacifists or true conscientious objectors. However, this guy doesn't seem to fall into these categories.

This is pure politics. He doesn't like the administration and he doesn't like the war. Fine. However, running off to Canada seems like an incredibly stupid thing to do, considering that he had other options.

84 posted on 02/18/2004 8:01:41 AM PST by Modernman ("When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." -Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Modernman
Canada will only extradite an accused murderer facing the death penalty back to the US if the relevant US prosecutor agrees not to seek the death penalty.

They had a Law & Order on that one. They wanted the death penalty for a murderer, but Canada wouldn't extradite. However, the guy did steal a car to drive up to Canada so they requested extradition for that.

85 posted on 02/18/2004 8:02:14 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
One of his many problems it seems
86 posted on 02/18/2004 8:04:13 AM PST by Mo1 (" Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?")
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To: Mr. Silverback
Traitors. Can we find out how to get these people prosecuted?

It does seem like they were aiding the flight of a felon. That assumes, of course, that this guy actually gets charged for desertion or whatnot.

87 posted on 02/18/2004 8:05:34 AM PST by Modernman ("When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." -Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Constitution Day
this young man better check with his lawyer...I believe the US and Canada signed a treaty last year stating that neither country will accept refugee applications from the other....
88 posted on 02/18/2004 8:06:00 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: cateizgr8
Hinzman admits he got in over his head. When he joined the Army, he said he was expecting Al Gore to be elected president.
89 posted on 02/18/2004 8:08:14 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Mo1
and his choice to not eat meat

I think I found the root of his problem.

90 posted on 02/18/2004 8:09:15 AM PST by Grumpy Bear (Don't poke the bear.)
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Canada is the perfect place for this steaming turd.
91 posted on 02/18/2004 8:09:25 AM PST by clintonh8r (Vietnam veteran against John Kerry.)
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To: dansangel; Mo1; Constitution Day
When he joined the Army, he said he was expecting Al Gore to be elected president.

He's a dumba$$, too!

From the other article: He enlisted on Jan. 17, 2001

92 posted on 02/18/2004 8:11:11 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Constitution Day
but I think that really does put that mindset in a soldier that they're killers."

Duh.

93 posted on 02/18/2004 8:11:59 AM PST by cmak9
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To: Constitution Day
Just make him pay back the money the taxpayers ponied up for his college education, in return for a man's promise.
Dock his pay/welfare payments forever, if necessary.
94 posted on 02/18/2004 8:13:06 AM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: general_re; dighton; BlueLancer; Poohbah; Constitution Day; Tijeras_Slim
His fellow soldiers were weirded out by his meditation regimen and his choice to not eat meat.

I'm "weirded out" by a journo using "weirded out".

95 posted on 02/18/2004 8:14:59 AM PST by aculeus
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To: dansangel
although I won't deny I was known as the liberal, and this is in a culture where everybody watches Fox News

So what? Who says liberals can't be good soldiers? I doubt anyone in the military cares about your political views if you're a good soldier.

What a cop-out.

96 posted on 02/18/2004 8:15:02 AM PST by Modernman ("When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." -Otto von Bismarck)
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To: 2banana
The army is better of without him AND HIS FAMILY!
97 posted on 02/18/2004 8:15:33 AM PST by verity
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To: Modernman
What a cop-out.

Exactly. It is common knowledge that love of country can and does cross political affiliation.

98 posted on 02/18/2004 8:16:41 AM PST by dansangel (*PROUD to be a knuckle-dragging, toothless, inbred, right-wing, Southern, gun-toting Neanderthal *)
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To: TheBigB
What a liar this guy is.

From this story:

When he joined the Army, he said he was expecting Al Gore to be elected president.

From the story in your link:

He enlisted on Jan. 17, 2001, leaving Ms. Nguyen -- they had married a few weeks earlier -- in Boston while he did his basic training at Fort Benning in Georgia.

If he enlisted on 1/17/01 thinking OwlGore would be president he's really to stupid for the army anyway.

99 posted on 02/18/2004 8:17:57 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Canada has a strong extradition treaty with the US. Anyone accused of an offense in the US, which is also considered an offence in Canada (IE murder, assault, desertion) is subject to arrest and extradition back to the US.

It will be interesting to see whether this happens; it seems as though his whereabouts are either known or easily found.

100 posted on 02/18/2004 8:19:42 AM PST by Born Conservative ("Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names" - John F. Kennedy)
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