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To: phil_will1
For years now, in fact decades, we have been hearing the lament of jobs being shipped overseas. First it was auto factories, then sneaker factories and now IT-related work.

You would think, to hear them talk, that we'd have 50 million people living in cardboard boxes by now. But I just don't see it.

I realize that many people lost jobs but they are apparently finding new ones. And not necessarily low paid ones either. How do I know that? I just look around me. Restaurants and shopping centers are still jammed. On Friday or Saturday night, you can count on a one or two hour wait for a table at just about any restaurant in the Boston area. New, expensive cars are flying off the lots, making my car look like a junker. Houses are selling around here for $300,000 and up. If you aren't at the first Open House and you don't submit a bid close to or at the asking price, you lose out. Housing is very, very tight. Not something you'd expect to see if everybody was out of work or if everybody was working at Wal-Mart, as some would have us believe.

Can anybody explain the "disconnect" here between what I am observing and what the lamestream media and Democrats are telling us, regarding the "worst economy since the Depression"?

105 posted on 02/18/2004 9:03:16 AM PST by SamAdams76 (I do not like the new "Starbucks-style" coffee lids at Dunkin' Donuts)
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To: SamAdams76
Can anybody explain the "disconnect" here between what I am observing and what the lamestream media and Democrats are telling us, regarding the "worst economy since the Depression"?

I can. One is reality, the other is ficion. The fiction falls into two subsets.

What you are observing is the real world.

"Worst economy" etc. was intentional fiction, written by Democrats to get votes. The people who wrote the phrase were sitting in a $800,000 house when they wrote it.

The "conservatives" on this board who think the sky is falling are a different story. They are sincere; they are extrapolating one trend into the whole field of vision. Unintentional fiction.

117 posted on 02/18/2004 9:39:55 AM PST by Taliesan
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To: SamAdams76
first off, no one talking about offshoring here is saying its the worst economy since the depression.

But what is being described is real, its really happening. Now it may well be affecting a relatively modest group of workers right now, with respect to the overall mix of workers and jobs. But its the trend that is potentially devastating for the middle class. If you look at the totality of "knowledge jobs", there is a potentially huge number of them that can be done overseas. Look across disciplines in many industries, basically any job that can be done by someone sitting at a desk with a computer, whose physical presence is not needed, can be done overseas. Extrapolate that, and you can see what the potential effects on the white collar private sector middle class can be in 10 years. We've lost most of manufacturing, if we lose "knowledge jobs", we'll have just service jobs and government jobs left.

And with respect to these "industries of the future" that are going to create all these new jobs, there is no reason that those industries and jobs won't be offshore right out of the gate.

US corporations are changing their business model: profits in the US, protections of the US legal and intellectual property systems, highly paid US corporate executives, and every job they can figure out how to move offshore will go. That shift will wipe out the US tax base. A $70K tech or white collar corporate staff worker or who ends up working at Home Depot for $40K, pays no federal income tax, and probably switches their vote to Democrat.

In addition to the economic dislocations, this trend will create a permanent Democratic majority in the US, the private sector middle and upper middle class is the only demographic keeping the Republicans afloat.
124 posted on 02/18/2004 9:55:07 AM PST by oceanview
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To: SamAdams76
Can anybody explain the "disconnect" here between what I am observing and what the lamestream media and Democrats are telling us, regarding the "worst economy since the Depression"?

We borrowed what you are observing. Eventually, it must be paid back with interest.

Any questions?

165 posted on 02/18/2004 12:31:18 PM PST by superloser (Tancredo 2004)
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To: SamAdams76
> Can anybody explain the "disconnect" here

I'm not an economist, but here's a common-sense observation: It's foreign money. The United States, due to its MILITARY strength, is the safe harbor of the world. Just absolutely that simple. And if we continue down the road we are on, we won't have even the military power, and we will be done. We will be swarmed by a godless horde. Evolutionists/abortionists/free-traitors/materialists here won't understand and will be shrilly denouncing these words, but Christians, American conservatives, and anybody with any morals understands that an immoral nation will destroy itself.
166 posted on 02/18/2004 12:43:44 PM PST by old-ager
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