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To: SamAdams76
Can anybody explain the "disconnect" here between what I am observing and what the lamestream media and Democrats are telling us, regarding the "worst economy since the Depression"?

I can. One is reality, the other is ficion. The fiction falls into two subsets.

What you are observing is the real world.

"Worst economy" etc. was intentional fiction, written by Democrats to get votes. The people who wrote the phrase were sitting in a $800,000 house when they wrote it.

The "conservatives" on this board who think the sky is falling are a different story. They are sincere; they are extrapolating one trend into the whole field of vision. Unintentional fiction.

117 posted on 02/18/2004 9:39:55 AM PST by Taliesan
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To: Taliesan
"'Worst economy' etc. was intentional fiction, written by Democrats to get votes. The people who wrote the phrase were sitting in a $800,000 house when they wrote it."

I spoke with a friend this morning. His wife works for a bankruptcy firm. He said that, prior to 2001, that firm almost never had as many as 150 filings in one month. Since then, they have had one record month after another. They are now up to somewhere in the 800 range per month and next month will probably be another record.

I met with a Democratic congressman recently, but he isn't really a far leftist. He said that back in the 60s the pay multiple of CEOs vs average workers was something like 40 or 50. That multiple is now up around 1500, if memory serves. The gap between the haves and the have nots is growing exponentially. This does not bode well for our society. Republicans who are in denial (like the current administration) may be in for a rude awakening. I saw a poll just yesterday that said that that the economy and jobs was the #1 issue on voters minds.

This is reality, not fiction. This administration's response seems to be "but look at the Dow!" This reminds me very much of 1992.
123 posted on 02/18/2004 9:53:57 AM PST by phil_will1
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To: Taliesan
RE: " The "conservatives" on this board who think the sky is falling are a different story. They are sincere; they are extrapolating one trend into the whole field of vision. Unintentional fiction."

As is the the case in most things, it's not quite that simple. I am one of the doom and gloomers. The conflict is most evident between two views offered by the BLS household and establishment surveys.

The household survey of employment suggests to many that millions of jobs have been created. The establishment survey says hundreds of thousands of jobs have been lost. There are tons of anecdotal evidence on both sides.

Regardless, there is little doubt that millions of Americans are bearing the burden alone as our economy slowly adjusts to "globalization." Fine. That's life. Many are working at lower paying jobs or part time looking for full time jobs. This satisfies the mainstream Republicans' "jobs is jobs" crowd. Meanwhile dem Rats make much of the troubles. It worked for them in 1992 -- with 24/7 help from the mainstream media.

So, I for one am NOT "extrapolating one trend into the whole field of vision." I know that 90 percent are doing from just Okay to very well indeed, thank you!

But I am tired of seeing the one trend (the ten percent) get bashed by the Limbaugh-Hegecock-Sullivan "conservatives" as being the cause of unemployment because they are too lazy to go back to work. I've heard all three men say it.

People didn't move from the farms to the factories over a weekend. It takes time. Give those bearing the burden some slack. But no! It's a dynamite schadenfreude high gawking at their troubles, isn't it?

169 posted on 02/18/2004 12:50:51 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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