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The Reality of Outsourcing
Townhall.com ^ | Bruce Bartlett

Posted on 02/17/2004 5:35:48 PM PST by phil_will1

Last week, Council of Economic Advisers Chairman N. Gregory Mankiw ran into a buzz saw. He committed a major gaffe, which in Washington means he spoke the truth, by defending the concept of outsourcing -- contracting with foreigners for information technology services. With a lack of job growth being the central economic issue in the country today, Mankiw's comments were assailed across the political spectrum. President Bush quickly distanced himself from his aide's remarks, House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., repudiated them, and many Democrats called for Mankiw's dismissal.

There is at least one person in Washington who knows precisely how Mankiw feels: Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan. Back in 1974, Greenspan held the same position Mankiw now holds. Shortly after his confirmation in September of that year, Greenspan participated in an economic summit. At the time, the United States was in the middle of the deepest recession of the postwar period and inflation was rising rapidly. That year, the Consumer Price Index would rise 12.3 percent.

Greenspan was asked whether the Ford administration's policies were benefiting the rich over the poor. He replied: "If you really wanted to examine who, percentage-wise, is hurt the most in their incomes, it is Wall Street brokers. I mean their incomes have gone down the most."

Needless to say, Democrats had a field day attacking Greenspan for seeming to worry more about the problems of rich Wall Street brokers than those of common people. Although he quickly apologized, many observers believe that Greenspan was permanently scarred by the incident and forever afterward became far more circumspect in his public and even private comments.

Of course, when one gets caught in one of these Washington firestorms, there really isn't much one can do except apologize, hunker down and wait for the storm to pass. That is what Mankiw is doing. Unfortunately, the result is that debate on serious issues is often short-circuited and the political establishment draws erroneous conclusions. In this case, it may conclude that the issue of outsourcing is radioactive and everyone may rush to support ill-conceived legislative fixes with harmful economic consequences.

Here is the offending statement in the Economic Report of the President that has led to calls for Mankiw's head: "One facet of increased services trade is the increased use of offshore outsourcing in which a company relocates labor-intensive service industry functions to another country. ... Whereas imported goods might arrive by ship, outsourced services are often delivered using telephone lines or the Internet. The basic economic forces behind the transactions are the same, however. When a good or service is produced more cheaply abroad, it makes more sense to import it than to make or provide it domestically."

One would have a hard time finding a reputable economist anywhere who disagrees with this analysis. No nation has ever gotten rich by forcing its citizens to pay more for domestic goods and services that could have been procured more cheaply abroad. Nations get rich by concentrating on doing the things they do best and letting others produce those things they can produce better and more cheaply. It is called the specialization of labor, and it is the foundation for economic growth. That is why even Democratic economists like Janet Yellen, Laura Tyson, Brad DeLong and Robert Reich have come to Mankiw's defense.

What is different about outsourcing and why it has aroused so much protest is that it is affecting workers who thought they were immune from international competition. Blue-collar workers in manufacturing have been suffering from outsourcing for 100 years. It is worth remembering that textile jobs in South Carolina today were originally outsourced from Massachusetts. While in the short run, the transition was painful for Massachusetts textile workers, they soon found better jobs in new industries. That is why per capita income there is and always has been far higher than that in South Carolina.

It would be grossly unfair to say that it is OK to move manufacturing wherever production is cheaper, but wrong to subject information technology services to the same competition. It is mostly because of the Internet and the fact that IT people know how to use it that they are getting attention disproportionate to their numbers. Moreover, if we hadn't just gone through a painful economic recession, most of these people probably would have already found new jobs and the problem of outsourcing would not be worth writing nasty emails about to politicians and people like me.

In any case, even if the federal government tried to stop outsourcing, it cannot. We can put quotas and tariffs on goods that cross our borders, but it is impossible to stop people from importing software and data over the Internet. The only response that is possible is to adapt, innovate and stay ahead of the curve.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: brucebartlett; outsourcing
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To: XBob
I'm talking long island here. for a tenured teacher, they make way more then that $51K average. Trust me on this.

and that rate for computer systems analysts only counts the ones who actually have jobs in that field. as they are offshored to India, and take a job in another field, they no longer count as part of that statistic. And your article mentions accounting? My friend at IBM accounting/finance in NJ was just told two weeks ago: bye-bye, their jobs are going to Brazil. Any schoolteachers being offshored to Brazil?

As with everything else, you can make the numbers show anything you want, and the UFT is no exception.
201 posted on 02/18/2004 7:08:25 PM PST by oceanview
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To: riri
well, good for them I say. Many of the sales guys I know are also upset about this offshoring, because they fear it will mean the products they are given to sell will be of lower quality.
202 posted on 02/18/2004 7:11:29 PM PST by oceanview
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To: old-ager
I think you've been exposed to too many used car salesman. People who work in sales are not all like that.
203 posted on 02/18/2004 7:17:29 PM PST by oceanview
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To: XBob
Worked with many? I am one.

I agree with you in general, but hey, everyone can acquire new skills!
204 posted on 02/18/2004 7:24:08 PM PST by oceanview
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To: A. Pole
If you want a nice, quiet, stable economy, then a lovely jungle would be just the place for you. Nothing changes there. It's just like it was ten thousand years ago. Wouldn't that be great? Your job would never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever go away.
205 posted on 02/18/2004 7:24:12 PM PST by Redcloak (This tagline is for external use only. Discontinue if a rash develops. Induce vomiting if swallowed.)
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To: phil_will1
Why impossible? If item of data cross from server in India to server in US, then tariffable...or put large wage tarrif on monies sent to salaries of Indian employee...that suck up reason.
206 posted on 02/19/2004 12:23:46 AM PST by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: Alberta's Child; A. Pole
No, but tarrif assess on payroll to ship to India and yes on phone call why not? Charge for use assessed by phone compnay, government can too. Data transfer in packet, packet traceable, server to server connection traceable, why not?
207 posted on 02/19/2004 12:27:00 AM PST by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: phil_will1
... by defending the concept of outsourcing -- contracting with foreigners for information technology services.

This is NOT the definition of Outsourcing!! Outsourcing is hiring an outside agency to do work which they are more proficient at. For example, hiring a firm to do your bookkeeping instead of hiring a full time Accountant(s).

The "Offshore" part only comes into play when
a) The Offshore Company is "cheaper", [most are] and
b) The Offshore Company offers at least the same quality which can be purchased at home. [most do NOT]

Outsourcing is real and has been around for a very long time - whining about it is about the same as whining about "globalization" - it may feel good to whine about it, be the whiner will achieve nada.

Instead of whining, we should be looking for ways to make the domestic IT Outsourcers more attractive.

208 posted on 02/19/2004 12:46:17 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate
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To: Redcloak
You live in a chaotic universe, get used to it.

People create the society and culture in order not to live in a jungle. Free marketeers should move to some jungle in Guyana or else and stay there.

It was not best advice - free marketeers should move to San Francisco - see Chaos in San Francisco

209 posted on 02/19/2004 6:21:15 AM PST by A. Pole (The genocide of Albanians was stopped in its tracks before it began.)
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To: bvw
TAriffs are to keep unions happy and are a luddite response.
210 posted on 02/19/2004 7:21:34 AM PST by Outsourcing=Competition (I'm voting for Bush. What about you?)
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To: Paul Ross
HIPAA is uneforceable in India. Privacy is a dead letter to any outsourcing of data processing sent to India.

The Medical Privacy - National Standards to Protect the Privacy of Personal Health Information India to Adopt Data Privacy Rules. They already have adopted the same laws. If a company transgresses them then they'll be brought up before Indian courts who will be stricter with them because they know that if anything happens it could badly affect the money they are making -- capitalism will reform their legal system and keep them good.
211 posted on 02/19/2004 7:25:37 AM PST by Outsourcing=Competition (I'm voting for Bush. What about you?)
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To: looscnnn
"The better stuff: R&D and design remains here in the States." Give it time, they will also be sent out of the country.

Well, if the big multinationals send it outside then they will be the losers because the American deisgners will go and create better products that'll knock the socks off the one made by their former company.
212 posted on 02/19/2004 7:27:41 AM PST by Outsourcing=Competition (I'm voting for Bush. What about you?)
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To: Outsourcing=Competition
"Well, if the big multinationals send it outside then they will be the losers because the American deisgners will go and create better products that'll knock the socks off the one made by their former company."

Sure they could. If you look at cars though, there are some American concept cars that are pretty cool, but a majority of the concept cars that catch people's attention are the ones designed out of the country. Unfortunately the R&D and design are slowly moving away. Innovations are happening more overseas than here and it is not just due to the lower salaries. Case in point Sony's Aibo, Honda's Asimo.
213 posted on 02/19/2004 7:50:09 AM PST by looscnnn (Tell me something, it's still "We the people", right? -- Megadeth (Peace Sells))
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To: A. Pole
Not doing a very good job of making your crypto-socialist point, are you?
214 posted on 02/19/2004 8:41:53 AM PST by Redcloak (This tagline is for external use only. Discontinue if a rash develops. Induce vomiting if swallowed.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Japan would never have become a manufacturing colossus without a(n) UNPROTECTED trading partner (the U.S.) that was immensely wealthy and enjoyed a much higher standard of living than Japan. All the tariff protection in the world hasn't kept Japan from bleeding manufacturing jobs to places like Malaysia, China, and India.

Japan is now sucking on the same Free Traitor Kool-Aid as the U.S.

215 posted on 02/19/2004 12:50:36 PM PST by Paul Ross ("A country that cannot control its borders isn't really a country any more."-President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Outsourcing=Competition
India has an abysmal track record of enforcing the rights of foreigners...even when they recognize those rights at all. your new rules, if and when finally enacted, will just continue to serve as PR-spin window dressing.
216 posted on 02/19/2004 12:53:09 PM PST by Paul Ross ("A country that cannot control its borders isn't really a country any more."-President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Outsourcing=Competition
India has an abysmal track record of enforcing the rights of foreigners...even when they recognize those rights at all. your new rules, if and when finally enacted, will just continue to serve as PR-spin window dressing.
217 posted on 02/19/2004 12:53:13 PM PST by Paul Ross ("A country that cannot control its borders isn't really a country any more."-President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Outsourcing=Competition
TAriffs are to keep unions happy and are a luddite response.

Tariffs are classical Republican Economic theory. And they are the constitutional tax in the U.S. Hardly luddite, since the luddites opposed industrialization, and the Republican-sponsored tariffs produced the U.S. industrial behemoth. And proudly so. Even Uncle Miltie admits this.

And as to your political-sop argument: Then why are the RATs still refusing to implement any tariffs??? If anything, they are more 'Free Trade' dogmatists than the pubbies. It is because their real objective, global socialism, is on the verge of effective triumph...utilizing this 'Free Trade' as a battering ram to destroy our U.S. sovereeignty. And Kennedy/Kerry/Hitlery will stone-wall, and divert and 'spin' their nominal supporters and backers until they have subverted the constitution so thoroughly that they can then erect a 'dictatorship of the proletariat'.

218 posted on 02/19/2004 1:02:21 PM PST by Paul Ross ("A country that cannot control its borders isn't really a country any more."-President Ronald Reagan)
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