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We had virtually to straight-jacket [Kerry] to keep him under control (Admiral Zumwalt on Kerry)
taipeitimes ^ | Feb 11, 2004 | W. Scott Thompson

Posted on 02/17/2004 4:50:28 PM PST by jmstein7

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To: LADY J
BS. He doesn't have nightmares. Only about his loss of influence and power.
81 posted on 02/17/2004 6:31:47 PM PST by oldgrunt
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To: oldgrunt
Close, but no cigar on the link URL. Here's the one I think you meant:

http://www.mrfa.org/
82 posted on 02/17/2004 6:33:46 PM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: jmstein7
"...young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass,
by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets."

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Very interesting. I have been thoughtful of what exactly is the source behind Kerry's apparent inability to move forward. It's like he is stuck in a cruel and relentless time warp and can't move beyond it.

Whether this statement is true or not, there are some really big questions about Kerry and his fitness as POTUS and CIC.

All I know is that his anti-war actions brought enormous suffering upon our young soldiers in Viet Nam, especially the POWs. Kerry's name should be cursed for that alone.

83 posted on 02/17/2004 6:46:56 PM PST by harpo11
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To: harpo11; LADY J; All
Write a letter to the editor about this issue, and how the media is covering it up, by clicking HERE.
84 posted on 02/17/2004 6:51:03 PM PST by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: There's millions of'em
Your post 78 is excellent I think. Also, wasn't the War Kriminal already in WESTPAC on a destroyer prior to his riverine assignment? He may have already done something earlier to come to the attention of Admiral Zumwalt and his staff.
85 posted on 02/17/2004 6:58:10 PM PST by Rockpile
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To: jmstein7
I'd love to believe the Zumwalt story but find it hard to credit because;
1) An officer as senior as Zumwalt would have crushed a lowly lieutenant like a bug if he dared step out of line even once and,
2) for Zumwalt to admit that he was even aware of civilian atrocities and did nothing about it could have landed him in a war crimes trial himself. I doubt therefore that he would even admit to such knowledge.
86 posted on 02/17/2004 7:00:56 PM PST by finnigan2 (WHAT NEXT??)
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To: EastIdaho
just thought of something, maybe Kerry was sent home early because they wanted to get rid of him. Give him his 3 purple hearts and send him home. In other words he was fired. Maybe thats why he took up his anti war stance, to get back at them.

Oooh, good point! It sounds true. Why don't we take a dishonorable page from the DNC handbook, and tar and feather Kerry with the allegations. Like the Republican targets, Kerry will have to do double duty trying to clear his name. Bwaaahhhaaa, I love the smell of imploding Democrats in the morning...smells like freedom ;-)

87 posted on 02/17/2004 7:02:10 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
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To: oldgrunt
Easy, sport. I was only responding to the article and asking if there was a second source. I cast aspersions on no one. If true, this is dynamite and is deserving of some backup since Elmo isn't here to confirm or deny his statement. What's your problem?
88 posted on 02/17/2004 7:08:11 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." GWB 1/20/04)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
I loved Zumwalt and his Z-grams making overnight changes. He was the sailor's "sailor". I wish he was still alive so he could tell all about Kerry.
89 posted on 02/17/2004 7:08:47 PM PST by Terry Mross
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To: onyx
Count me in on that ping list onyx!
90 posted on 02/17/2004 7:10:14 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
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To: oldgrunt
Well,I do know a "little" about the "brown water Navy".

At least enough to wonder if Kerry killed any Americans.

91 posted on 02/17/2004 7:27:23 PM PST by Free Trapper (One with courage is often a majority.)
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To: jmstein7
This issue was addressed in detail in 1996:

http://www.s-t.com/daily/10-96/10-28-96/a03sr015.htm

Kerry assails columnist who questioned war service By Glen Johnson, Associated Press writer

BOSTON -- Stung by a column questioning the circumstances of his greatest war triumph, Sen. John F. Kerry gathered his commanders and crew from Vietnam yesterday to rebuff what several called an assault on his integrity.

Mr. Kerry, visibly angered, recounted how he chased down a Viet Cong soldier in February 1969 and killed him as he was just about to fire a rocket into Mr. Kerry's Swift boat. The action earned him the Silver Star, the country's third highest honor for bravery.

The critical column, however, quoted the boat's forward gunner as saying Sen. Kerry actually finished off the soldier after the gunner wounded him.

Yesterday, the gunner, Tom Belodeau of Dracut, stood beside Sen. Kerry and said he had been misquoted. "This man was not lying on the ground. This man was more than capable of destroying that boat and everybody on it. Sen. Kerry did not give him that opportunity," Mr. Belodeau said.

Mr. Belodeau did concede that he may have wounded the Viet Cong soldier with a burst from his own gun, but he said Sen. Kerry did more than just finish him off. The columnist, an economics writer David Warsh for a Boston newspaper, noted that such a "coup de grace" would have been considered a war crime.

"The soldier that Sen. John Kerry shot was standing on both feet with a loaded rocket launcher, about to fire it on the boat from which (Mr. Kerry) had just left, which still had four men aboard," Mr. Belodeau said.

The Democrat also describes it as a defining period in his life, since he came home opposed to the war and began his public life as co-founder of Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

The most celebrated moment came on Feb. 28, 1969. A three-boat flotilla Mr. Kerry was commanding on a river in South Vietnam came under fire and Sen. Kerry took his boat directly into it. By the end, a Viet Cong soldier was dead and Sen. Kerry was carrying an enemy rocket launcher with a rocket still loaded in the chamber.

In the column, Mr. Warsh quotes Mr. Belodeau as saying in the course of their interview, "You know, I shot that guy. ... When I hit him, he went down and got up again. When Kerry hit him, he stayed down."

Gov. Weld received educational and medical deferments from serving in Vietnam, something Sen. Kerry has never directly challenged. But Mr. Kerry was clearly insulted over having a segment of his service questioned.

Sen. Kerry's staff arranged a news conference at the Courageous Sailing Center in the Charlestown Navy Yard. It also flew in several people who attested to Sen. Kerry's character and his version of events.

They were retired Admiral E.R. Zumwalt Jr., who commanded U.S. naval forces in Vietnam; retired Capt. George Elliott, Kerry's commander at the time of the shooting; retired Cmdr. Adrian Longsdale, who commanded shoreline operations at the time; and Mr. Belodeau, an electrician who is currently working in Michigan. </>

Also participating by phone from San Francisco was Michael Medeiros, who was the rear gunner on the Swift boat. Tom Vallely, a former Marine and Sen. Kerry's close friend, introduced each speaker.

Mr. Zumwalt, with two Navy ships and the USS Constitution anchored over his shoulder, said he remembered only two such incidents from Vietnam and one of them was Sen. Kerry's.

Mr. Zumwalt also said he wanted to recommend Sen. Kerry for an even higher medal, the Navy Cross, but approval would have taken too long. Instead, he personally approved a Silver Star and sped along the award to improve morale at a time his sailors were taking heavy casualties.

"To me it was such a terrible insult, such an absolutely outrageous misinterpretation of the facts, that I felt it was important to be here," Mr. Zumwalt said. "A wartime commander has a lifetime responsibility to look out for the guys under him."

Mr. Medeiros, who was chasing after Sen. Kerry and the fleeing soldier, said he did not see Sen. Kerry kill him but had no doubt that the senator did so.

"The only one that was there was Senator Kerry," he said. Sen. Kerry said his reaction to the column had nothing to do with the latest poll findings.

"This is not about Bill Weld," he said. "This is about my honor, this is about the honor of my crew and this is about the honor of those who served. ... This is just wrong. This is not the way to conduct American politics."

92 posted on 02/17/2004 7:35:23 PM PST by There's millions of'em (John F. Kerry: a decorated VN war criminal.....)
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To: jmstein7
Previously posted by me. Read how some Freepers were upset ... with me for posting it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1077668/posts
93 posted on 02/17/2004 7:39:06 PM PST by aculeus
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To: TheSpottedOwl
That's weird .. Admiral Zumwalt was a very close friend to my former employer. He worked very closely with him. He regarded Zumwalt as one of the finest Naval officers he had every worked with.

If Zumwalt's account of Kerry's actions is accurate, this could be devastating. But .. it does explain why Kerry went before Congress and said that other people were committing crimes .. it was to cover for his own. Wow! I'm stunned!
94 posted on 02/17/2004 7:53:01 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: hoosiermama
RECORDS! I want to see ALL of Kerry's military records. (particularly those signed by Zumwalt)

That is something I don't believe you will ever see.

95 posted on 02/17/2004 8:01:38 PM PST by zeugma (The Great Experiment is over.)
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To: All
DEMAND an investigation into Senator Kerry's War Record and Post-War Activities (CLICK HERE)
96 posted on 02/17/2004 8:16:59 PM PST by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: oldgrunt
John Fn Kerry - NVA War Hero
97 posted on 02/17/2004 8:32:30 PM PST by Sodbuster
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; SAMWolf; Cannoneer No. 4
Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

PING!
98 posted on 02/17/2004 8:38:00 PM PST by Valin (America is the land mine between barbarism and civilization.)
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To: Valin
Thanks for the ping!
99 posted on 02/17/2004 8:39:32 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Thank You Troops, Past and Present)
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To: jmstein7
Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

Well I guess he knew what his taking about in 71.
100 posted on 02/17/2004 8:40:48 PM PST by Valin (America is the land mine between barbarism and civilization.)
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