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Posted on 02/17/2004 1:22:19 PM PST by Hon
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Just another piece to the puzzle.
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posted on
02/17/2004 1:22:19 PM PST
by
Hon
To: Hon
Don't ever forget it was Kerry and his 'rat pack that started it with Vietnam.
To: All
"Kerry experienced his first intense combat action on Dec. 2, 1968. He was slightly wounded on his arm, earning his first Purple Heart."
There is no mention of this intense combat action in the records of PCF 44.
Granted these records are not very detailed and do not claim to be definitive or even extensive.
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posted on
02/17/2004 1:29:17 PM PST
by
Hon
To: All
In late January 1969, Kerry joined a five-man crew on swift boat No. 94 completing 18 missions over 48 days, almost all of them in the Mekong Delta.
Kerry earned his second Purple Heart after sustaining a minor shrapnel wound in his left thigh on Feb. 20, 1969.
February 28, 1969: When Kerry's Patrol Craft Fast 94 received a B-40 rocket shot from shore, he hot dogged his craft beaching it in the center of the enemy position. Kerry was given a Silver Star for his actions.
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The record here says:
- On 29 January 1969, PCFs 5, 72, 93 and 94, together with units of COSDIV 13, conducted operations in the Cua Lon river. PCFs 72 and 94 came under fire while probing a side canal resultings in 3 USN WIA and light damage to PCF 94.
- PCF-94, in company with PCFs 22, 35 and VNN PCF-3806, 14 January 1970, were supporting a troop sweep when PCF-94 was hit by a claymore mine resulting in two (2) friendly WIA and damage to the hull and one engine.
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There is NO mention of the engagement that got Kerry a Silver Star. Isn't that a little weird?
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posted on
02/17/2004 1:32:35 PM PST
by
Hon
To: Hon
Very interesting. BTTT.
To: Hon
Like all Democrats, JF Kerry received a HEAP of glory at a very small price. I have no problem saying that he was awful lucky and/or had some kind of PULL to get superficial scratches turned into THREE purple hearts in just 3 and 1/2 months. However earning a Silver Star for what was stated in this article is beyond belief.
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posted on
02/17/2004 1:32:55 PM PST
by
PISANO
(u)
To: Constitution Day
I wonder how many of these guys are now going to get emails, asking about their impressions of Kerry--if they even can remember him.
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posted on
02/17/2004 1:35:37 PM PST
by
Hon
To: Hon; backhoe; Howlin; PhiKapMom; MeekOneGOP
*ping*
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posted on
02/17/2004 1:35:43 PM PST
by
onyx
(Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
To: Hon
Thanks for posting this, as I was curious about the dates of service. Kerry has had the brazen dishonesty to refer to his service in "Mr. Nixon's War."
Kerry had been commanding swift boats in Vietnam for two months before Nixon was ever inaugurated. Did he really not know that Lyndon Baines Johnson, a Democrat, was President when he, Kerry, went to war?
Nixon would have to have made peace within two months of taking office to have had a prayer of dodging Kerry's slur and I doubt even that would have worked.
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posted on
02/17/2004 1:36:14 PM PST
by
VadeRetro
To: VadeRetro
Maybe Kerry preceives it that way because he didn't get into much combat until after Nixon was elected President.
Of course we know why he says it. He can't blame LBJ or his own personal god, JFK.
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posted on
02/17/2004 1:39:56 PM PST
by
Hon
To: Hon; Cuttnhorse
Ping - Bump!
;-)
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posted on
02/17/2004 1:42:15 PM PST
by
Tunehead54
(Support Our Troops!)
To: Hon
Maybe Kerry preceives it that way because he didn't get into much combat until after Nixon was elected President. Or maybe Kerry simply has no truth in him.
To: Hon
Granted these records are not very detailed and do not claim to be definitive or even extensive. He should have to prove he was wounded. Who wrote it up? Where are the photos? Who witnessed it?
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posted on
02/17/2004 1:43:04 PM PST
by
js1138
Comment #14 Removed by Moderator
To: Hon; PhilDragoo
Interesting. Looks like Kerry is "AWOL" from these particular records.
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posted on
02/17/2004 1:43:24 PM PST
by
SAMWolf
(Liberals are invulnerable to reason & logic. They are vulnerable to guns, knives & a bitch slap.)
To: Hon
>>
February 28, 1969: ... he hot dogged his craft beaching it in the center of the enemy position. ... ...Kerry leaped from the boat and dashed in to administer a "coup de grace" to the wounded Viet Cong. I received a more critical report on this incident by e-mail. The writer, who also fought on swift boats and other river craft, said that one was never, ever to beach a craft -- then it would be defenseless. If somebody went ashore, it would restrict the gunner's field of fire as well.
As for that "coup de grace" -- that was a war crime. We do not shoot the wounded.
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posted on
02/17/2004 1:47:52 PM PST
by
T'wit
( "My little jokes don't hurt nobody. But when Congress makes a joke, it's the law!" -- Will Rogers)
To: T'wit
As for that "coup de grace" -- that was a war crime. We do not shoot the wounded. I would hope we shoot the walking, armed, unsurrendered wounded. They can shoot us.
To: Hon
Looks like Kerry got his Silver Star for committing a war crime?
1) I thought it was illegal to use 50 cal on human targets?
2) I thought as a US Soldier, Kerry should have offered the wonded Viet Cong quarter - or was it okay to murder a helpless enemy in cold blood?
Some reporter should ask Kerry to clear this up. If this is what happened, his Silver Star is a disgace. I'd also like to know who wrote him up for the Silver Star - and why.
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posted on
02/17/2004 1:51:29 PM PST
by
Fenris6
To: All
COASTAL DIVISION THIRTEEN SWIFTGRAM
SWIFTGRAM 1-69
This "SWIFTGRAM" is designed to keep the families and friends of Coastal Division THIRTEEN apprised of the happenings within the division. It will be published at periodic intervals and will be available to each man to send home.
Although nineteen sixty-nine is still new, Coastal Division THIRTEEN has already established an enviable reputation for the new year, and at its present pace, will soon become unbeatable.
As you may realize, operational committments have been keeping the boats in the division on patrol approximately 60% of the time, with the remaining 40% in-port time being taken up by boat maintenance, duty, and crew rest. The schedule is arduous, but the crews are more than holding their own.
Coastal Division THIRTEEN is presently the largest Swift Boat Division in Vietnam. Besides our regular ocean and river patrols, for the past five months we have actively been participating in Operation Sea Lords, a series of highly successful raids into Viet Cong controlled waterways in the Mekong Delta. These raids have inflicted heavy casualties and considerable damage on the enemy, and though several boats have been damaged, the spirit and enthusiasm of the division remains high.
In spite of our busy schedule, personnel in the divisionhave found time to study for advancement exams, and to enjoy an occasional beach party.
The crews lucky enough not to be on patrol on certain Sunday afternoons enjoyed beach parties. with lots of beer, bar-b-qued steaks and chicken, good times were had by all. The main event of each party was a football game between the officers and enlisted men. Although they played hard, the enlisted men couldn't quite match the talents of their officers, and went down to defeat on several occasions. However, it always turned out to be an even match in the beer-drinking category. As an item of interest;during the recent basketball game the enlisted men lead the officers 50-48 at half time - it ended that way as the officers were unable to continue in the torrid Vietnam heat.
On other occasions the officers and men joined forces and represented Coastal Division THIRTEEN in the Cat Lo Naval Base football and basketball tournaments. The "Swifts" came out in first in football, and lost a well-played game in basketball to wind up in second place.
Due to the tempo of operations in Operation Sea Lords, the increased demands upon each crew has brought forth acts of courage and heroism which cannot go unobserved.
As a result of these highly dangerous river incursions the following awards have been recommended for our men:
Navy Cross 1
Silver Star 1
Bronze Star 26
Navy Commendation Medal 20
Purple Heart 16
On 22 February General Abrams and Vice Admiral Zumwalt took time from their busy schedules to talk to and commend the division for the job it is doing.
The present pace of operations will continue for quite a while. Towards the end of March the monsoon seas will be abating, and the tempo of operations will increase with more patrol stations to be manned.
The crews will be busier than ever, and although the time passes quickly, all look forward anxiously to the day when they will return home.
Until our next SWIFTGRAM, I would like to wish all of you a very successful 1969.
J.W. Streuli
J. W. STREULI
LCDR U.S. Navy
Commander Coastal Division 13
http://swiftboats.net/extras/cosdiv13swiftgram1-69.htm Looks like Kerry scored the only Silver Star in the group.
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posted on
02/17/2004 1:56:48 PM PST
by
Hon
To: VadeRetro
[i]I would hope we shoot the walking, armed, unsurrendered wounded. They can shoot us.[/i]
True. But his gunner laid down a swarm of 50 cal rounds on the enemy's tent. If any of that fire was accurate, its very likely that Kerry stumbled in on a shredded man incapable of living much longer, much less firing a weapon.
Does Kerry insist the man was armed? Can he coorborate with a witness, or are we supposed to just take his word that he didn't murder a helpless potential POW?
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posted on
02/17/2004 1:57:31 PM PST
by
Fenris6
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