Look MORON I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I pointed out your failure, you still look at events of 1860 with a 1990's view and there is nothing that I could ever say that would get you to understand that it wasn't about keeping "slaves" on the plantation, rather it was a fight against big government. You are obtuse of intellectual thought and any further discussion is pointless! Your comments lend credence to the fact that you believe government should tell us how to live our lives, and that free thinking independent men are a danger to the rigid order of a socialist society.
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude more than the animating struggle for freedom, go in peace. We seek neither your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams
Listen, cretin, I know perfectly well what you're "trying to say," and I'm here to say that you're full of baloney. I know the difference between the excesses of big government and the valid uses of government. That knowledge informs my principles, and there I take my stand.