[Agnes Heep]

Look MORON I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I pointed out your failure, you still look at events of 1860 with a 1990's view and there is nothing that I could ever say that would get you to understand that it wasn't about keeping "slaves" on the plantation, rather it was a fight against big government.

Listen, cretin, I know perfectly well what you're "trying to say," and I'm here to say that you're full of baloney. I know the difference between the excesses of big government and the valid uses of government. That knowledge informs my principles, and there I take my stand.

[Colt .45]

"and I'm here to say that you're full of baloney."

Not so fast, if there is someone who is full of what bulls excrete in the field it is you. What I have stated and quoted is directly from the Founders' themselves ... your stance is NOT! If our government is based on the principle that the people, not the representatives of the people who wield the power, then your assertion of valid government in the events of 1860 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay left of center, or as we used to say in the military "high right" meaning off target.

"Cretin"?! You must've learned a new word at WalMart, your Mommy would be proud.