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To: Fedora
Regarding you last post on partisan tactics, please keep me informed on your research. Very interesting...To me there is a LOYALTY factor not necessarily a PARTY factor. The gray market areas of arms dealings and drugs are connected to shady people interlinked with people in high places. BCCI was a playground for the CIA and others. To think that collusion did not exist or to deny it out of partisanship is ignorant of a larger issue.
54 posted on 02/16/2004 12:07:43 AM PST by endthematrix (To enter my lane you must use your turn signal!)
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To: endthematrix
> Regarding you last post on partisan tactics, please keep me informed on your research.

Will do.

> Very interesting...To me there is a LOYALTY factor not necessarily a PARTY factor.

That can be another factor.

> The gray market areas of arms dealings and drugs are connected to shady people interlinked with people in high places. BCCI was a playground for the CIA and others. To think that collusion did not exist or to deny it out of partisanship is ignorant of a larger issue.

BCCI was a playground for some in the CIA, but to attribute this to Bush directly simply because he was director at one time--as this author tends to (not saying you're doing that)--is a leap that requires evidence. The CIA like any large company (no pun intended) is divided into departments, as well as factions that arise during transitions from one administration to the next (starting with the transition from Truman to Eisenhower), and the director during one adminstration doesn't personally supervise every field operation--and Bush's personal habit was to delegate, so he probably supervised less than most, he was mostly installed in that position for political reasons rather than operational ones because he was known for loyalty. Just because Bush was director for a very brief period while the BCCI operation was going forward doesn't by itself imply that he had any knowledge of the inner workings of an operation set up and run by others. The investigation should begin with the actual agents involved, IMO. The question of Bush's role is one that it's natural to ask, but it's a secondary question that you can only attempt to address after other questions have been answered, and this article doesn't do that because it's primary purpose is simply to implicate Bush.

> But...the connection IS there. First question would be: Who is your brother? CEO, CFO, VP Operations, large stockholder, etc.

That's part of the point of what I'm getting at above. To extend the analogy, the CEO doesn't supervise everything that goes on in Tech Support. To define Bush's role in BCCI we'd need to know how his job function related to that of the departments and agents involved in the actual operation. This article doesn't provide that information, just insinuates.

> Most plots of coruption have less than SIX degrees of separation, i.e. IRAQ > UNSCON > CIA or BCCI >Milken, Saudi buisnessmen, Chineese Communists, etc > Crooked financal deals.
> Most of the players are well known and have had their hands dirty for years. It's the new players (or new deals)that make the news, such as Lord Black to Hollinger to Perle to Kissinger to a myrad of things...9/11 hearings, Chile, etc.

My method is to start from the known players and work towards the unknown. BTW Seymour Hersh, who is another known player long opposed to the Angleton/Bush faction of the CIA, played a major role in stirring up the Perle controversy, so that's another factor to consider.
55 posted on 02/16/2004 8:27:43 AM PST by Fedora
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