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BUSH'S GUARD 'ACCUSER' ADMITS FAULTY MEMORY (Alzheimer's)
NY Post ^
| 2.15.04
Posted on 02/14/2004 11:48:07 PM PST by ambrose
Edited on 05/26/2004 5:19:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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February 15, 2004 -- Serious doubts have been raised about the stories of two key Alabama National Guard figures who questioned whether President Bush showed up for weekend duty there in the early 1970s.
Retired Brig. Gen. William Turnipseed, the 187th's Tactical Reconnaissance Group's former commander, recanted his statement that he couldn't remember if Bush reported for duty, now saying his memory is faulty because he's in the beginning stages of Alzheimer's disease.
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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: awol; bush; hughhewitt; johncalhoun; militaryrecord; nationalguard; williamturnipseed
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To: js1138
From a scientific standpoint, you are correct. You simply cannot prove a "negative." You can only prove a "positive." Just because you have no evidence that Bush did not serve doesn't mean that he did not serve. It simply may mean that one has come forward that remembers him. However, now some witnesses have come forward, effectively refuting the "null" hypothesis that he did not show up in favor of the "alternative" hypothesis that he did show up.
To: ambrose
Retired Lt. Col. Bill Burkett had claimed he heard Bush aides talking about having his Guard records scrubbed and saw it happen. Amazing hearing Burkett must have. He claims to have heard the conversation through a crack in the door even though he says he wasn't at the doorway. Then he sees them toss the records into the trash. This happened back in the 90s, years BEFORE shredders were invented.
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posted on
02/15/2004 12:18:05 AM PST
by
PJ-Comix
(Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
To: js1138
Don't give him any ideas.
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posted on
02/15/2004 12:18:33 AM PST
by
ItsBacon
(I smell bacon! Where's the bacon? baconbaconbaconbaconbaconbaconbaconbacon)
To: Texasforever; Hon
I think that someone said that Turnipspeed is a FR lurker and that he is really upset with how the media used his words out of context.I could be mistaken, but I believe Freeper "Hon" has been in touch with him personally.
To: ambrose
I haven't been following this too closely. I do know this has been known for a long time. Turnipseed always said that he didn't remember and always included and cautioned, that he didn't remember much of anything. It didn't amaze me though when the papers continued to leave that out. They have an agenda.
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posted on
02/15/2004 12:19:51 AM PST
by
spunkets
To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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posted on
02/15/2004 12:20:00 AM PST
by
barker
(When I was young we used to go "skinny dipping" but now I just "chunkydunk.")
To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Yes that was who I was thinking of. It is just another example of media manipulation.
To: rebel_yell2
"From a scientific standpoint, you are correct. You simply cannot prove a "negative." That's actually a myth.
You *can* prove some negatives when you can exhaust all possibilities in a set.
For instance, how can I prove that the red ball isn't in my black box that holds 20 balls?
Well, if I take out every one of all 20 balls, and none of them are red, then I have just proven a negative.
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posted on
02/15/2004 12:23:22 AM PST
by
Southack
(Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: ambrose
And The Boston Globe, which took the lead in challenging Bush's Guard service, reported serious doubts about the account given by one of Bush's prime accusers. This is slander by the Globe. They misreported it in the first place, deliberately twisting Turnipseed's words to accuse Bush. Now they make it sound like Turnipseed story has changed. It hasnt. They Globe is now finally deciding - 4 years late - to report it honestly: Bush served and did his duty honorably, and there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest otherwise.
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posted on
02/15/2004 12:24:06 AM PST
by
WOSG
(http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
To: js1138
How long befor Michael Moore is accusing Bush of bribes or threats to silence thes guys? I don't know but Michael Moore has gone over the edge. He's got Bush's dental diagram on his front page now. He's obsessed. It's creepy.
To: ambrose
recanted his statement What's to recant? He said he didn't remember, and he doesn't.
Only a Rat could turn "I don't remember" into "he was never there".
To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Gotta wonder about the motives of this Burkett character. Do a google into Mr. Burkett and you'll find out .. interesting friends he has
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posted on
02/15/2004 12:31:16 AM PST
by
Mo1
(" Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?")
To: Texasforever
It frustrates me to no end. This is how they work. They'll misrepresent someone, and then never correct themselves. Unethical and slimey.
To: Mo1; All
LA Times:
What Did Bush Do in the Guard?
..Some of Bush's critics have declared him AWOL or a deserter. They point to selected records released from his military files that suggest he was basically a no-show during his temporary gig in Alabama, that he was grounded and put on nonflying status for failing to accomplish a physical, and that he seemed to have frittered away his final year before taking an early discharge eight months shy of his six-year obligation.
They also complain that he was a rich kid with deep family political connections - his father was congressman from Houston and his grandfather had been a U.S. senator from Connecticut - for whom the Guard cut corners to make sure he was kept out of harm's way, specifically the Vietnam draft.
The White House released documents throughout last week that it said supported Bush's account - including ones Friday night, which it said amounted to everything it had.
An examination of those documents, and nearly 200 pages of his service record obtained by The Times in 1999 as Bush was starting his first campaign for the White House, plus interviews with Guard officials, veterans and military experts, showed that while there was no evidence of illegality or regulations broken to accommodate Bush's entry or rise in the service, doors were opened and good fortune flowed to him at opportune times.
Retired Col. Charles C. Shoemake, an Air Force veteran who later joined the Texas Air National Guard, has told The Times, "We were flooded with applications back then. I'm not going to deny a lot of them turned to the Guard to get out of Vietnam." He added about Bush, "His name didn't hurt, obviously."
George W. Bush graduated from Yale University in 1968, soon to become eligible for the draft. Mindful of his father's World War II exploits as a bomber pilot, he showed up at the Texas Air National Guard office announcing he wanted to fly jets "just like Daddy."
.. The White House has not provided a roster of Alabama guardsmen who remember Bush, and most veterans of the Alabama squadron cannot recall him at all. But Republican operatives did release the name of Bill Calhoun.
Calhoun, who now lives in the Atlanta area, said he was a supervisor in the Alabama squadron and remembered Bush because he and Bush were the only Republicans in a squadron that otherwise was full of "George Wallace Democrats."
He said Bush signed in "probably from four weekends to six weekends" and usually spent his time in Calhoun's upstairs office reading flight magazines and pilot accident reports - which was considered acceptable duty.
"He was very punctual and very dedicated and never complained about it," Calhoun said. "A typical fighter pilot, a little more quiet than some of us. And drinking and carousing - that was typical of a fighter pilot."
He added that Bush always appeared in uniform and "there was some resentment" from other squadron members, who did not like a man coming from Texas and talking Republican politics.
"We had lunch sometimes, and he told me he was working pretty heavily in the campaign, at least long hours," Calhoun said. "I asked him if he was going to be a politician and he said, 'I don't know. Probably.' " [Full article at LINK]
To: barker
Thank you.
To: Ophiucus
Gee, it was all another DemoRat fabricated hit? Who would have thunk it. 'Bout time for Terry to come up with a new phony story to replace his old phony story.
To: Texasforever
I think that someone said that Turnipspeed is a FR lurker and that he is really upset with how the media used his words out of context. Yes and the reporter from the Globe took his words out of context
Notice the Globe fails to take responsibility for that
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posted on
02/15/2004 12:34:21 AM PST
by
Mo1
(" Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?")
To: Mo1
A leftie hack. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
To: barker; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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posted on
02/15/2004 12:42:00 AM PST
by
Mo1
(" Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?")
To: Prodigal Son
I don't know but Michael Moore has gone over the edge. He's got Bush's dental diagram on his front page now. He's obsessed. It's creepy. Isn't Michael Moore the same creep that a few years ago had a web cam pointed at Lucianne's apartment window???
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posted on
02/15/2004 12:44:19 AM PST
by
Mo1
(" Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?")
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