Posted on 02/14/2004 5:20:01 PM PST by nwrep
The highly accurate "Presidential Vote Equation" created by Ray Fair, a Yale economist, continues to predict a Bush landslide victory in November, despite several recent polls showing a decline in President Bush's popularity.
The model is updated every quarter with the release of quarterly economic statistics by the government.
The latest update to the model was made on February 5, 2004 based on data for the 4th quarter of 2003.
The model prediction is as follows:
Presidential Vote Equation--February 5, 2004
The predictions of GROWTH, INFLATION, and GOODNEWS for the previous forecast from the US model (October 31, 2003) were 2.4 percent, 1.9 percent, and 3, respectively. The current predictions from the US model (February 5, 2004) are 3.0 percent, 1.9 percent, and 3, respectively. In the previous forecast 2003:4 was predicted to be a GOODNEWS quarter, but it turned out not to be. For the current forecast 2004:1 is predicted to be a GOODNEWS quarter, so the total number of GOODNEWS quarters is the same at 3. The prediction of GROWTH, the per capita growth rate in the first three quarters of 2004 at an annual rate, has increased to 3.0 from 2.4 for the previous forecast. Given that the coefficient on GROWTH in the vote equation is 0.691, an increase in GROWTH of 0.6 adds 0.4 to the vote prediction.
The new economic values thus give a prediction of 58.7 percent of the two-party vote for President Bush rather than 58.3 percent before.
This does not, of course, change the main story that the equation has been making from the beginning, namely that President Bush is predicted to win by a sizable margin.
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The equation, based on Ray Fair's economic model has an excellent correlation percentages of two party popular votes. The only times it has significantly deviated from the November election results was in 1992 due to the presence of a strong third party.
The equation has worked as follows since 1916:
Table
Presidential Elections Since 1916
Party Actual Predicted
in Vote Growth Infl. Good Vote
Power Share Rate Rate News Share
1916 D Pres. Wilson beat Hughes 51.7 2.2 4.3 3 50.7
1920 D Cox lost to Harding 36.1 -11.5 16.5 5 38.9
1924 R Pres. Coolidge beat Davis 58.2 -3.9 5.2 10 57.9
1928 R Hoover beat Smith 58.8 4.6 0.2 7 57.3
1932 R Pres. Hoover lost to F. Roosevelt 40.8 -14.9 7.1 4 39.2
1936 D Pres. F. Roosevelt beat Landon 62.5 11.9 2.4 9 64.3
1940 D Pres. F. Roosevelt beat Willkie 55.0 3.7 0.0 8 56.0
1944 D Pres. F. Roosevelt beat Dewey 53.8 4.1 5.7 14 52.9
1948 D Pres. Truman beat Dewey 52.4 1.8 8.7 5 50.5
1952 D Stevenson lost to Eisenhower 44.6 0.6 2.3 6 43.9
1956 R Pres. Eisenhower beat Stevenson 57.8 -1.5 1.9 5 57.3
1960 R Nixon lost to Kennedy 49.9 0.1 1.9 5 51.1
1964 D Pres. Johnson beat Goldwater 61.3 5.1 1.2 10 61.2
1968 D Humphrey lost to Nixon 49.6 4.8 3.2 7 49.6
1972 R Pres. Nixon beat McGovern 61.8 6.3 4.8 4 59.8
1976 R Ford lost to Carter 48.9 3.7 7.7 4 48.6
1980 D Pres. Carter lost to Reagan 44.7 -3.8 8.1 5 45.6
1984 R Pres. Reagan beat Mondale 59.2 5.4 5.4 7 61.4
1988 R G. Bush beat Dukakis 53.9 2.1 3.3 6 52.4
1992 R Pres. G. Bush lost to Clinton 46.5 2.3 3.7 1 50.9
1996 D Pres. Clinton beat Dole 54.7 2.9 2.3 3 52.7
2000 D Gore lost to G.W. Bush 50.3 3.5 1.7 8 50.8
They attribute the difference to the inclusion of a strong third party candidate (Perot). My question is, what quarter are these results taken from. The quarter just prior to the election or sometime earlier.
You are forgetting that you live in a country where the press wants you to think that the current President is a bad guy.
For instance, you recall that under Reagan, there was a month in 1983 when almost 1 million new jobs opened up. And you think we're still waiting to see that under Bush. But we're not. That happened in January, 2003. Employment increased to 137,447,000 from 136,459,000 the month before. What, you didn't hear about that? The one million new jobs in a month during the Bush Administration? I can't imagine why that was never talked about in the media. It must have been an oversight.
Mmm, yes. That's basically what I was saying.....
Anyhow, about your other point, the confidence levels, right/wrong direction, and approval rating figures on the economy adequately answer the question of how many people are content with their sense of their personal economy, and so I don't have any need to ask the people I or YOU know what they think. This is especially true since it's a safe bet that the people I and YOU know are wildly unrepresentative of the nation as a whole.
I do not prefer ignorance, and therefore I would prefer to end this discussion. Take care.
Sort of. What you have to do is go here, and then choose the top line "Total, 16 years and over", and "seasonally adjusted." Then scroll down and hit the "Retrieve Data" button, and then you get to pore over a table of numbers looking for a month in which the # employed went up by a million.
Why is it "dissembling" to ignore the second dip in the 1980's, but not dissembling to ignore the second dip in 2002? The NBER declares an "end to the recession" two months after the Atta Boys kill 3,000 people and toss the travel and entertainment business into the toilet, and you'd like us to think that we should expect economic performance to behave the way it always has after the NBER declares an end to a recession. No one knows how 9/11 impacted the economy, or by how much. We can see the effects on travel and tourism, but what were the secondary effects? We can guess (business travel down, trade shows and conferences in the tank, all kinds of stuff) but it would take God to really sort it out.
Whatever the effects were, to assign them a value of zero, as you are doing, is virtually certain to be a fairly large mistake.
OK, we'll wait for you to catch up.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics does precision guesswork. They'll be happy to tell you the unemployment rate down to a tenth of a percentage point. And they probably get close, or at least as close as humans know how to make those things.
I hope no one believes that they actually run around and count noses every month. It's a sampling thing. They take surveys of employers, and they munge the data with some statistical algorithms to (hopefully, but never exactly) correct for sampling bias and other errors. Then they adjust for seasonal factors, like H&R Block's huge rise in employment in March and April, followed by a huge layoff on April 16th; and of course the Christmas Winter Festival stuff.
In recent years, people operating as independent contractors instead of employees have become a big deal. The BLS has no clue how much of that there is. I probably look to them like one of those guys who quit his job and then gave up trying to find a new one, so they longer count me among the "employed." Meanwhile, I'm making money, growing my business, and having more fun than I have had in a long time.
The point of all this is that they have to guess about a lot of things. And depending on which guesses they include or do not include, the unemployment rate could be up or down by a point-and-a-half. It's not that they are "wrong," it's just that no human knows what the right number is,. The BLS is as good a group of guessers as anybody else has.
I don't think it is true, as you suggest in #39, that using your friends and acquaintances as your sample has more "real world validity" than what the BLS does. They use a sample too, and theirs is a lot bigger than yours, and is expressly designed to capture regional variations, seasonal effects, specific-industry effects (9/11 happens, people stop travelling, airlines go into the tank, it all pops out 2 years later as layoffs concentrated in cities with big aircraft manufacturing plants.) No humans are perfect, but those guys do know what they are doing.
What really matters from a "what do we do now?" standpoint is not whether unemployment is 5.9 or 5.7 per cent, but whether it's going up or down. So long as the BLS picks a methodology and sticks with it, such that whatever errors they have are in the same ballpark from month to month, we can use their percent change data with reasonable assurance that it's "close enough for government work."
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