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1 posted on 02/13/2004 11:22:03 AM PST by eccentric
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While it is easy to take offense to the comparison (as Rush did), there is some truthfulness in it.

Bull.

There are cultural issues in interracial marriages (I speak from first-hand experience in relating to my sister and her husband), but they do NOT compare to same-gendered relationships in any way, shape or form.

While I don't like the idea of amending the Constitution (I think this is better left to the states), this is an issue that won't go away.

There are too many leftists who fall into the trap of trying to compare those relationships and the percieved "discrimination" with them to the very real discrimination that I have faced in my past as a black man. It is insulting at best to make the comparison.

If two guys (or girls for that matter), wanna get up close and personal, that's their business (and better left behind their closed doors). But I'm not going to pretend to want to sanction it just to satisfy the liberals' misbegotten sense of self-guilt.

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63 posted on 02/13/2004 12:11:30 PM PST by mhking
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It's really quite simple.

The definition of marriage is and always has been the union of one man and one woman.

That early America perverted the meaning of marriage by passing unconstitutional laws based on race is not justification for perverting the meaning of marriage now by equating one man + one woman and one man + one man.

They simply are not the same nor does one equal the other.

72 posted on 02/13/2004 12:18:27 PM PST by jwalsh07
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As far as I know, interracial marriage wasn't shoved down the public's throat by an overbearing judiciary. The vast majority of people either accepted it or ignored it, primarily because no one could see any logical reason against it--the only possible objections pertained to the very small and superficial differences that are the hallmarks of race.
78 posted on 02/13/2004 12:23:40 PM PST by Agnes Heep
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This kind of mindless diatribe by the homosexual community is total malarkey.

I want someone to help me with this. I am pissed when the sodomites say that being homosexual is like being black facing discrimination. Since when is perversion acceptable behavior? How is homosexual "marriage" a civil right? Someone please tell me. Since time and memorial marriage has been defined as a legal covenant between a man and a woman. It is the fabric of civilized society. If the sodomites want to have a union like marriage they would have to find a spouse of the opposite sex. Since that is how marriage has been defined. To my understanding can't a sodomite couple use the legal system to will possessions and a general power of attorney for other legal decisions? Please help me out </No Sarcasm>

80 posted on 02/13/2004 12:24:48 PM PST by Warrior Nurse (Black, white or Hispanic the jihadists are trying to kill us all, you better recognize!)
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I am pretty sure that I would actually vote in favor of gay marriage, if the gay lobbyists and their judges would let it come to that. (I live in Massachusetts.) But their tactics and arguments have been specious on a number of levels.

The problems with comparing gay marriages to interracial marriages are two-fold:

1) Race is a human construct. Sex is not.

2) The 14th Amendment was all about race. In contrast, the ERA (sexual Equal Rights Amendment) never passed federally, and when it was debated and passed in various states (including Massachusetts), its backers always denied it could be used to require gay marriage.

(More explanation on #1: There are an infinite number of possible "races," the boundaries between races are different depending on which features you look at, the features generally used to define the 3,4,5 or more races people tend to speak of are superficial, and even taking a set number of superficially defined races, there have always been many people of mixed races. In contrast, man has always had exactly two sexes (indeed, there have been two sexes for virtually all multicellular life for hundreds of millions of years), virtually everyone clearly belongs to one sex or another, sexual boundaries are not fluid (the number of people who change their apparent gender, like the number of hemaphrodites, is very small, and they generally achieve less apparent success than Michael Jackson has achieved in becoming a white man, and no real success at all in terms of reproduction), the anatomical and chemical differences between the sexes are real and nontrivial, and most states already allow transexuals to live and marry as their new preferred sex, so transexuals' "plight" isn't all that relevant. (I don't know what, if anything, happens to existing marriages after a sex change, but I bet most have legally continued for as long as the couple desired.)

81 posted on 02/13/2004 12:25:09 PM PST by DWPittelli
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This one.

Or, This one?

Hmmmmm ... Let me think!

91 posted on 02/13/2004 12:31:18 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Bush Bot by choice)
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More accurately compared to inter-species 'marriage'

Marriage is a sacrament man and woman with God

Sodomites are not invited...and the Holy Spirit will not/cannot consummate such an unholy union..

The problem is one of the most infectious groups of humans being able to pile on
the health insurance of another..and collapse the system...leaving ™ "real" families

without health insurance....ushering in Hillary care and voting in anyone who sponsors such an abomination

imo

94 posted on 02/13/2004 12:32:06 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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Frankly, I like miscegenation.

And the most interracial institution in the world, filled with products of miscegenation, is any US Army Base.

Of course, what that has to do with gay marriage, talk about an oxymoron, is anybody's guess.

Silly comparison. Just alienates people while not increasing support for those against gay marriage.

104 posted on 02/13/2004 12:37:06 PM PST by swarthyguy
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There is no comparison unless the inter-racial couple are both men with huge hemoroids.
113 posted on 02/13/2004 12:46:16 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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The lady's friggin' goofy.
127 posted on 02/13/2004 12:59:17 PM PST by Rudder
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In discussing this subject the way you do, you give credence to the homosexual agenda. For example: homosexuals are not, in general, gay; there is no such thing as homosexual (i.e., same-sex) marriage. Don't fall into the trap of validating the hedonists' agenda by using their language!
131 posted on 02/13/2004 1:05:14 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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The two are comparable,--one is just as bad as the other!
185 posted on 02/13/2004 2:17:18 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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These folks chose to be homosexuals knowing that sexual deviants of the same gender could not marry. There is no comparison to people of different races and opposite sexes being forbidden to marry
190 posted on 02/13/2004 2:58:40 PM PST by Damagro
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There's nothing at all wrong with interracial marriage; whereas, everything is wrong with homosexual marriage.
193 posted on 02/13/2004 3:06:58 PM PST by k2blader (Some folks should worry less about how conservatives vote and more about how to advance conservatism)
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Poster number 4 summed it up nicely - absurd comparison. I've had girlfriends who were white, black, Asian, Hispanic, East Indian, and I loved 'em all. (Oh brother, did I love 'em all. LOL) My last wife was a Muslim Turk. My current squaw is half honest-to-God, scalp-your-ass Cherokee Indian. I've dated the United Friggin' Nations in my lifetime. It's the one true type of 'diversity' I really celebrate. The undercurrent through it all is that they had an 'innie' and I had an 'outie'. Me Tarzan, you Jane. The way God (or Gaia, for you heathens) meant it to be. There is no comparison between that and two guys trying to stuff their potatoes up each other's tail pipe. You don't procreate that way - you just make a nasty mess. If faggotry was the biological norm, there wouldn't be a vertebrate left on this planet.
212 posted on 02/13/2004 5:30:42 PM PST by Viking2002
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The mating of humans (marriage), just as with any other class, is designed for procreation. If procreation is impossible in a union, because both members are of the same sex, then that union will lend itself to the eventual destruction of the entire species.

On the issue of interracial/interethnic mating, isn't it amazing that the homosapien is the only creature willing to do that? Why don't rabbits mate with skunks? Or, better yet, why don't cardinals mate with crows? Are the lower class creatures more concerned with propagation of their own species than the homosapiens are? Just MHO. Flame away.......

236 posted on 02/13/2004 6:45:32 PM PST by eeriegeno
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The State (meaning you, me, and everyone else - we comprise "the State") can choose to formally recognize any legal union for the purposes of procreating and rearing children. Customarily, this is done in keeping with the religious and moral tenor of the country and the prevailing social norms. As we are slowly sinking into a moral sewer, it is any wonder that the notion of alternate marriages is gaining acceptance?

One does not have a "right" to be married. Rights are inherent to an individual only. Some may claim that the 10th Amendment alludes to additional inherent rights; however, marriage is not one of them.

The State's willingness to formally recognize any union as a legal and binding unit is predicated on the will of the State (we, the People).

If you are prevented from exercising your rights, then a legitimate course of action by the government is to punish anyone who attempts to stifle or deny you your rights. The government can also legitimately pursue avenues to allow you to freely exercise your rights.

If you want to marry someone who does not desire you as a spouse, you cannot claim a "right" to be married and use the power of the government to compel that person into a relationship with you. If you don't have a spouse but suddenly desire one, the government does not have to provide one for you. Furthermore, nowhere in the Constitution does it say that society, or the State, must accept or formally recognize ANY union that it deems unacceptable.

While I personally believed that marriage is a blessing from God, an institution ordained by Him for the creation of families and children, marriage exists in many cultures that do not practice Judiasm or Christianity. This is a universal concept, with many variations, as allowed by their respective states.

What America needs to decide is which kind of unions it will formally recognize, and which kinds it won't. In many ways, it already has. But make it permanent and unequivocable.

245 posted on 02/13/2004 10:10:42 PM PST by TheWriterInTexas (With God's Grace, All Things Are Possible)
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there is some truthfulness in it.

Uh, no, there is not. People of the same sex cannot join together as husband and wife, and therefore, cannot be married. However, a black man and a white woman can join together as husband and wife, and, therefore, can enter into marriage.

277 posted on 02/14/2004 8:07:54 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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