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That might be true, but you know what, at least the Dems are talking the talk. Heck, I know most of them have no solutions, but the president has spokesmen laughing at our faces! I just can't take this anymore. Most of the people in my office, are just not going to vote for Bush because of this issue.

My vote is going to be a message, to all politicians, we pay their salaries and we can lay them off just like the corporations are doing to our fellow citizens.

Look at what the admin is doing, promising 2.6 MILLION jobs this year. Everybody knows this is bullshit. The latest numbers are horrible, and 3/4ths of the low number of jobs created where in the low skill / low pay / retail sector. This is the future for the country?

In the meantime we have Outsorceress Carly Fiorina trying to spin the situation, telling us we need to get better educated. Better educated? Really? I know people with Phds and masters that can't get decent jobs in their fields. Then she tells us the next thig is biotech. Somebody forgot to tell her and the admin that these jobs are already being offshored as well, not to mention that China expects to make a big coin in biotech.

I feel like the admin is begging me to not vote for them. In the meantime, I have to see testimony of Halliburton saying they overcharged for MEALS For our SOLDIERS. This is just too much.

The free traders and the Bushies here and elsewhere are good, so good at presenting and winning arguments (see above.) Just as they were in '92 and '96. But this issue is growing legs, longer legs than Ketchup Boy's bimbo eruptions that the WH strategerists are apparently salivating over. I've been saying for a year that this issue is going to boil over just in time for the 2004 Halloween season. The Stupid Party remains clueless, but then what did we expect from the Stupid Party?

I agree with your points.

But also consider that its people on "our side" that are enabling Bush and the Rs on this. Look at the posters here on this issue, there is a small core of the same freepers who are trying to explain what is going on, what they see every day, and a much larger contingent of people who just say "let it happen", because of course its not their ox being gored. they believe their jobs are safe (they often never reveal their profession).

In the meantime we have Outsorceress Carly Fiorina trying to spin the situation, telling us we need to get better educated. Better educated? Really? I know people with Phds and masters that can't get decent jobs in their fields. Then she tells us the next thig is biotech. Somebody forgot to tell her and the admin that these jobs are already being offshored as well, not to mention that China expects to make a big coin in biotech.

Don't get me started on biotech. If anyone's looked recently, biotech jobs are of basically two types: slave monkey technician jobs that pay $10 an hour and can be done by someone with a year or so at the community college, and PhD work. I find it more than laughable that 45 year old engineers laid off because the company outsourced to Bangalore are supposed to now "retrain" for PhDs in biochemistry, to do DNA research.

There's no reason why Bangalore universities can't crank out PhD biologists/biochemists as well. We're more than willing to let them come to the US anyway.