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Cleland Drops Political Grenade... On Himself [Did you know He Blew Himself Up In Vietnam?]
Townhall ^ | 2/12/04 | Ann Coulter

Posted on 02/12/2004 5:31:52 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar

Cleland drops a political grenade

February 12, 2004

Former Sen. Max Cleland is the Democrats' designated hysteric about George Bush's National Guard service. A triple amputee and Vietnam veteran, Cleland is making the rounds on talk TV, basking in the affection of liberals who have suddenly become jock-sniffers for war veterans and working himself into a lather about President Bush's military service. Citing such renowned military experts as Molly Ivins, Cleland indignantly demands further investigation into Bush's service with the Texas Air National Guard.

Bush's National Guard service is the most thoroughly investigated event since the Kennedy assassination. But the Democrats will accept only two possible conclusions to their baseless accusations: (1) Bush was "AWOL," or (2) the matter needs further investigation.

Thirty years ago, Bush was granted an honorable discharge from the National Guard, which would seem to put the matter to rest. But liberals want proof that Bush actually deserved his honorable discharge. (Since when did the party of Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd get so obsessed with honor?)

On "Hardball" Monday night, Cleland demanded to see Bush's pay stubs for the disputed period of time, May 1972 to May 1973. "If he was getting paid for his weekend warrior work," Cleland said, "he should have some pay stubs to show it."

The next day, the White House produced the pay stubs. This confirmed what has been confirmed 1 million times before: After taking the summer off, Bush reported for duty nine times between Nov. 29, 1972, and May 24, 1973 – more than enough times to fulfill his Guard duties. (And nine times more than Bill Clinton, Barney Frank or Chuck Schumer did during the same period.)

All this has been reported – with documentation – many times by many news organizations. George magazine had Bush's National Guard records 3 1/2 years ago.

All available evidence keeps confirming Bush's honorable service with the Guard, which leads liberals to conclude ... further investigation is needed! No evidence will ever be enough evidence. That Bush skipped out on his National Guard service is one of liberals' many nondisprovable beliefs, like global warming.

Cleland also expressed outrage that Bush left the National Guard nine months early in 1973 to go to Harvard Business School. On "Hardball," Cleland testily remarked: "I just know a whole lot of veterans who would have loved to have worked things out with the military and adjusted their tour of duty." (Cleland already knows one – Al Gore!)

When Bush left the National Guard in 1973 to go to business school, the war was over. It might as well have been 1986. Presidents Kennedy and Johnson had already lost the war, and President Nixon had ended it with the Paris peace accords in January. If Bush had demanded active combat, there was no war to send him to.

To put this in perspective, by 1973, John Kerry had already accused American soldiers of committing war crimes in Vietnam, thrown someone else's medals to the ground in an anti-war demonstration, and married his first heiress. Bill Clinton had just finished three years of law school and was about to embark upon a political career – which would include campaign events with Max Cleland.

Moreover, if we're going to start delving into exactly who did what back then, maybe Max Cleland should stop allowing Democrats to portray him as a war hero who lost his limbs taking enemy fire on the battlefields of Vietnam.

Cleland lost three limbs in an accident during a routine noncombat mission where he was about to drink beer with friends. He saw a grenade on the ground and picked it up. He could have done that at Fort Dix. In fact, Cleland could have dropped a grenade on his foot as a National Guardsman – or what Cleland sneeringly calls "weekend warriors." Luckily for Cleland's political career and current pomposity about Bush, he happened to do it while in Vietnam.

There is more than a whiff of dishonesty in how Cleland is presented to the American people. Terry McAuliffe goes around saying, "Max Cleland, a triple amputee who left three limbs on the battlefield of Vietnam," was thrown out of office because Republicans "had the audacity to call Max Cleland unpatriotic." Mr. Cleland, a word of advice: When a slimy weasel like Terry McAuliffe is vouching for your combat record, it's time to sound "retreat" on that subject.

Needless to say, no one ever challenged Cleland's "patriotism." His performance in the Senate was the issue, which should not have come as a bolt out of the blue inasmuch as he was running for re-election to the Senate. Sen. Cleland had refused to vote for the Homeland Security bill unless it was chock-full of pro-union perks that would have jeopardized national security. ("OH, MY GOD! A HIJACKED PLANE IS HEADED FOR THE WHITE HOUSE!" "Sorry, I'm on my break. Please call back in two hours.")

The good people of Georgia – who do not need lectures on admiring military service – gave Cleland one pass for being a Vietnam veteran. He didn't get a lifetime pass.

Indeed, if Cleland had dropped a grenade on himself at Fort Dix rather than in Vietnam, he would never have been a U.S. senator in the first place. Maybe he'd be the best pharmacist in Atlanta, but not a U.S. senator. He got into office on the basis of serving in Vietnam and was thrown out for his performance as a senator.

Cleland wore the uniform, he was in Vietnam, and he has shown courage by going on to lead a productive life. But he didn't "give his limbs for his country," or leave them "on the battlefield." There was no bravery involved in dropping a grenade on himself with no enemy troops in sight. That could have happened in the Texas National Guard – which Cleland denigrates while demanding his own sanctification.

Ann Coulter is host of AnnCoulter.org, a Townhall.com member group.

©2003 Universal Press Syndicate


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2004; coulter; kerry; maxcleland; militaryrecord; nationalguard
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
War is dangerous. I don't care if a soldier gets hurt changing a tire or using the latrine, if they put themselves in harm's way, they deserve our respect, and if they get hurt while serving, they deserve it even more.
21 posted on 02/12/2004 6:05:27 AM PST by Huck ("I expected there to be stockpiles of weapons." --GWB on Meet the Press, 2/8/04)
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To: Stewart_B
The story, Lloyd said, was wrong. Lloyd said the blast was caused by another soldier’s grenade — not Cleland’s.

Of course, there's proof of that because...?

Lloyd said he knew because after Cleland was loaded onto the helicopter, another soldier, who had been hit by shrapnel, was crying. Lloyd tried to console the soldier, who said he had dropped the grenade.

Obviously we will need the name of this soldier, they DO have his name, right?

The grenade exploded when its cotter pin had fallen out, activating the explosive, said the 57-year-old Lloyd. The soldier told Lloyd that he had straightened the pins so it would be easier to pull them when he had to throw a grenade.

Lloyd’s revelation, which checked out, changed Cleland’s life, Cleland has written. For 30 years, Cleland had blamed himself for his injuries.

Checked out? By who? Where's the proof? Will they release the records? How can a soldier accidently blow the arm and legs off a guy and just walk away without anyone not even knowing his name?

Maybe they can meet again at another JOHN KERRY RALLY to go over the details...

22 posted on 02/12/2004 6:11:44 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: Tacis
I doubt if there were many "beer parties" being held along Highway 9 in April 1968. It was post Tet. Khe Sanh Combat Base was just down the road. Lang Vay SF Camp (or what was left of it.). Old French Fort. Quang Tri Province was just behind Thua Tien Province in terms of total number of US KIA.

Cleland probably assumed the grenade fell from his web gear or pouch. As for the GI who straightened the pin on the grenade? What more needs to be said....?

23 posted on 02/12/2004 6:12:49 AM PST by donozark
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"Friends don't let friends drink and detonate."

Darwin Award nominees don't, as a rule, have any friends.

24 posted on 02/12/2004 6:14:17 AM PST by G.Mason ( "The public cannot be too curious concerning the characters of public men."--Samuel Adams)
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To: xsmommy
Ooops, Ping!
25 posted on 02/12/2004 6:14:19 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: Hatteras
Will Lloyd make his dental records available to us? We would like to verify his story.
26 posted on 02/12/2004 6:24:40 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
I worked for the State of Georgia at the same time Cleland was Ga Sec. of State. He was hated by his department. I heard such terrible stories about what a miserable human being he was. People wanted to like him and tried to like him but it was impossible.

I have heard many versions of how he lost his limbs. My supervisor at the time, a big-shot department head, told me his own troops did it to him.

Personally, I don't care how it happened. The man gave service to the US. However, I have never given him my vote.
27 posted on 02/12/2004 6:32:17 AM PST by Republican Red (Karmic hugs welcomed!)
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To: Let's Roll
And could you blame him?
28 posted on 02/12/2004 6:39:21 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Huck
I love Ann Coulter, but this is a bit of a hit piece. Cleland lost his limbs while serving. nuff said.

What Coulter is absolutely correct about, however, is attacking Cleland's sense of entitlement. This guy believes he was entitled to be Senator for life because he was a triple ampute and Vietnam Vet. He comes accross to me as being bitter. It really loses him some credibility.

It also shows how yet another Democrat Urban Legend has been foisted upon us, namely, Cleland lost because his patriotism was attacked. This just shows the elist nature of the Democrap Party. If one of their candidates is defeated, it can't be because the voters rejected him or her. That would NEVER ever happen!!! Nope, it was a conspiracy of the highest order. Cleland's Patriotism was attacked, not his judgement. No way a Democrat should ever be held accountable for voting a certain way. Stupid voters of Georgia, wake up!!! Don't you know that Max knew what was best for you?

As for this entire National Guard issue. I hope the Democrats keep bringing it. The more they do, the more they alienate the military, the more they look petty (think Wellstone funeral) and the more the "Main Stream" media looks biased and angry.
29 posted on 02/12/2004 6:47:05 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: Republican Red
I agree that ANY veteran, especially a disabled vet, deserves our respect.

But my question was, "I wonder how the libs would respond if Bush had crashed his own jet on the runway on take-off and sustained injuries."
30 posted on 02/12/2004 6:51:44 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Pan_Yan
ping
31 posted on 02/12/2004 6:52:07 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Say not, 'I have found the truth,' but rather, 'I have found a truth.'--- Kahlil Gibran)
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
On "Hardball," Cleland testily remarked: "I just know a whole lot of veterans who would have loved to have worked things out with the military and adjusted their tour of duty." (He knows one--Al gore)

He knows two: Kerry got out early, too, to run for congress.

32 posted on 02/12/2004 6:58:17 AM PST by buzzsaw6 (a Bright light in a Dem district!)
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To: scotiamor
No, don't bring forth the former Mrs. Kerry. She has only nice things to say about him.
33 posted on 02/12/2004 6:58:45 AM PST by surrey
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
(And nine times more than Bill Clinton, Barney Frank or Chuck Schumer did during the same period.)

Well, not exactly.  9 x 0 = 0, not 9!   But we get the point, LOL.

34 posted on 02/12/2004 7:04:30 AM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: Republican Red
My brief glimpse of Max Cleland left me with the same opinion. I had him on a flight to D. C. (from Atl) in first class. He was obnoxious - drinking heavily - and making inappropriate comments to me and the other flight attendants. Before this incident - I had respected him for his service and accomplishments. After that - I lost respect for him as a person and considered him pathetic! And I agree - I never voted for him and never will....
35 posted on 02/12/2004 7:05:48 AM PST by Momto2
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To: w8mm
Ann has more balls than any Republican Senator. Sure she is preaching to the choir but she is always right - and smart.
36 posted on 02/12/2004 7:13:08 AM PST by NotchJohnson
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Wow. This is certain to be explosive. Gotta love Ann, she's got one hell of a pair of grenades!
37 posted on 02/12/2004 7:25:37 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/~clintonbegone/">Hero</font></a>)
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To: Stewart_B
Perhaps? Perhaps not? Hatteras raises some interesting points that would have to be answered.

But, it doesn't change the fact that Mr. Cleland didn't "leave his limbs on the battlefield", which is what the demoCREEPs have said over and over and over and over since the 2002 election.

So, it wasn't his gernade? It was still an accident. A tragic accident, but an accident nonetheless.

Mrs. Coulter points out that he wasn't injured in combat. The demoCREEPs use Mr. Cleland and a completely made-up story about leaving limbs on the battlefield for the mere imagery of a hero. In this case, the left is proven AGAIN to make things up out of whole-cloth.

Once again, there is no substance to what they say.

Compare these two...

DemoCREEP Story Reported Truth
Max Cleland left three limbs on the battlefields of Vietnam Max Cleland dropped a grenade on himself and lost 3 limbs
Max Cleland left three limbs on the battlefields of Vietnam A fellow soldier dropped a grenade near Cleland and lost 3 limbs

Take your pick, the demoCREEPs are still liars.

38 posted on 02/12/2004 7:26:29 AM PST by mattdono (Big Arnie: "Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags.")
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To: anniegetyourgun
Of course, they would have Molly Ivins to suggest that he was "too stupid to fly."

Max actually cited Ivins when, after he made some comment about how Bush's father got him into the national guard, Chris Matthews asked him if he had any proof.

39 posted on 02/12/2004 7:27:01 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/~clintonbegone/">Hero</font></a>)
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To: Harris
Wasn't the war over by January 1973? Essentially America was reducing its role in Vietnam big time by during the period Bush was in the Guard.

Yes, Jan 15, 1973 was the cease fire.

40 posted on 02/12/2004 7:27:40 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/~clintonbegone/">Hero</font></a>)
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