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TinFoil Alert.

Consider the OKC case with McVeigh a convert after Desert Storm.

We know Malvo got converted in Saudi; news reports have suggested a concerted effort by the Saudis to convert Americans.

Imagine such a convert, comes back, keeps his conversion a secret, rises in the federal security bureaucracy and achieves a critical postion, all the time getting increasing radicalised by the wahhabi poison.

How would we know? Skips the beard and ostentatious religious behavior and......

And then, you're right, there is the money as is shown by the craveness of former ambassadors such as Robert Jordan and Chas Freeman, who fingered Ashcroft as leader of the AntiSaudi cabal in the cabinet. Intv in ArabNews recently.

Islamism appeals to the disaffected like Malvo, Padilla and Mcveigh, who are then so alienated that they are fodder for the jihadists, who need some immediate fruits for their efforts.

It's difficult for me to envision a true believer in Islam 1) a convert who then remains rational enough to 2) remain as a sleeper and insinuate himself into the power structure.

As I said, the place for irrationality in the American power structure remains academia.

It is anamalous to the typical American profile to do otherwise. Islam just doesn't have that appeal in this country, except for the dissaffected. And it doesn't have the appeal that pre-Stalinist communism had in this country, due to its treatment of women.

Conversion to Islam in this country produces crazies, or people who live on the margins, like African-American Muslims IHO. The only seemingly rational Muslims who are also successful are the foreign-born, or those who are of Muslim descent, NOT converts.

The one person who could do this kind of damage to the US would be someone like Mansoor Ijaz.

His father, when he was dying, got him to promise that he would do something for Islma.

I wonder.....

SW, was it ever certain that McVeigh was a convert to Islam?

I know there were a lot of connections there (such as the wife of his accomplice, Nichols, who was a Muslim Filipina and lived in the same building with some Filipino Muslims who were involved in a bombing plot).

But if McVeigh or Nichols ever converted to Islam, it's sure been kept very quiet.