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To: .30Carbine
I actually clicked the links. Ha ....haha..... ha ha, hahahahahah. Actually, I am chuckling a bit. fwiw, i'm on an atkins diet. It's been good for my golf game too.

Look - I've actually traveled to 3rd world countries where only the despot army dudes and the bandits have the guns, and everyone else is threatened w/ long jail time or death if they get caught w/ a gun (by both the bandits and the army dudes).

I own guns. The idea of someone in our country voluntarily choosing to NOT own a gun in our country I see as actually a dangerous choice for the future of American liberty.

How is it that I'm failing to connect w/ you?
338 posted on 02/13/2004 4:30:35 AM PST by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon)
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To: gobucks
How is it that I'm failing to connect w/ you?

You are posting lunacy.

A) You pinged me to your first post on this thread (with no mention of why) in which you made it clear that you are the Supreme Judge of what makes a good and what makes a bad Campaign Paragraph for the Bush Administration in response to Peggy Noonan's call to action. It particularly irked me that you singled out a list of FReepers to commend who were all using the same old rhetoric, in some cases the very same words, to say that a vote for anyone but Bush is a vote for death and destruction. This does not in any sense pass the "how to make it new" test which the author of the article qualified her request with.

President Bush's insistence, or his administration's insistence, or vapid FReeper My-Bush-Right-Or-Wrong posters' insistence that the War on Terror is the only thing that matters in this election or in life in America in 2004, that this War on Terror is a gun to our head forcing us to vote for President Bush or vote for the terrorists, is the worst sort of campaign message imaginable. That message screams, "Vote for Bush or DIE!" and doesn't sit well with thinking (as opposed to feeling) Americans, whether conservative, liberal, libertarian, or disaffected. I will not vote for any man to save my life. I will, however, cast my vote to save the life of my country. The terrorists can not destroy America, only wound her; it is only the citizens of America that can completely destroy her, especially those citizens voted into positions of power in our government.

If the President in power on 9-11 had been a Democrat, and he had done everything exactly as President Bush has done since then as regards the War on Terror, and funded the NEA, gave the U. N. 1.2 billion tax dollars for redecorating, passed a bloated Education and socialist Medicaid bill, signed Campaign Finance Reform into law with no thought to the freedom of speech protected by the First Amendment, threatened to renew the assault on my weapons in disregard of the Second Amendment, and managed to get millions of illegal aliens forgiven and on welfare in his first four years, I would not vote for him...nor would any FReeper.

President Bush needs a new, back-to-our-basis message.

361 posted on 02/13/2004 1:10:34 PM PST by .30Carbine (Answer B to follow.)
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To: gobucks
How is it that I'm failing to connect w/ you?

You are posting lunacy.

C) And the following are the most grievous examples of it I have ever seen on this forum:

If your faith is in the 'law', no wonder you're upset.

America's Founders, and every single founding document, were born and bred in 1) the Law of the Almighty, 2) the examples of democracic law in Greece and Rome and 3) Lex Rex. Our Founders steeped themselves in law and the history of cultures from which godly laws sprang. They concluded that law was of God, and from God, as individual freedom is, and that the one could only exist under the divine and inspired protection of the other. Freedom without law is anarchy. Law without freedom is tyranny. An unjust law, said Mahatma Gandhi, and later Martin Luther King, Jr., is not to be obeyed, but actively opposed for the sake of righteousness and justice. "A Law repugnant to the Constitution is void," said Chief Justice Marshall. Are Americans upset that the just law of the land is not paid heed, not enforced, and in fact trampled underfoot like a welcome mat to criminals, while unjust and ungodly law is made up out of thin air daily in the courts? You yourself admit that if the faith of Americans rests in the law, which was established by God and secured by our Founders to defend the natural rights given Man by God, and that law is ignored, impugned, maligned, destroyed and replaced with some false substitute, we have every reason to be, to say the least, upset. How much more ungodly and repugnant that the practice is defended by the ignorant.

Bottom line, I don't know a SINGLE SOUL who 'obeys' the law in the full sense.

As I said previously, this is just plain Clintonesque, self-evidently so.

But I do know this: an awful huge number of leftists
want to sell everyone on the idea that 'laws' are the highest moral product of man.
This idea is distilled mental poison.

You are saying that it is mental poison to promote the idea that law keeps the world sane. I beg to differ. It is mental poison to profess such lunacy and to believe it. You believe that liberals believe in law and in obeying law? Au contraire, my FRiend, the liberals want only new rulings that do away with established law, and licentiousness (rather than freedom) like condoms for everyone, including murderers, baby killers, terrorists, adulterers, liars, and flag-burners.

The 'point' is this: freedom is not a function of law.

Law exists in America to secure the freedoms of the people (ref. Declaration of Independence) and limit the reach of the law-keepers.

The U.S. constitution is NOT, NOT a document of laws.

I dealt with this before, and I'll deal with it again, in the very same way, hoping that repetition will serve as a teacher where logic and fact itself do not:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby...
U.S. Constitution, Article VI, paragraph 2.

You then have the temerity to say, in the very same post,

You have a valid point that certain laws are being totally ignored ....

You spent your whole post denying the validity of law, then claim that the person to whom you are speaking makes a valid point when they put forth the idea that 'laws' are being 'broken.' Total lunacy.

368 posted on 02/13/2004 3:50:54 PM PST by .30Carbine (Answer D and beyond will be held in abeyance)
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