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To: gobucks
How is it that I'm failing to connect w/ you?

You are posting lunacy.

C) And the following are the most grievous examples of it I have ever seen on this forum:

If your faith is in the 'law', no wonder you're upset.

America's Founders, and every single founding document, were born and bred in 1) the Law of the Almighty, 2) the examples of democracic law in Greece and Rome and 3) Lex Rex. Our Founders steeped themselves in law and the history of cultures from which godly laws sprang. They concluded that law was of God, and from God, as individual freedom is, and that the one could only exist under the divine and inspired protection of the other. Freedom without law is anarchy. Law without freedom is tyranny. An unjust law, said Mahatma Gandhi, and later Martin Luther King, Jr., is not to be obeyed, but actively opposed for the sake of righteousness and justice. "A Law repugnant to the Constitution is void," said Chief Justice Marshall. Are Americans upset that the just law of the land is not paid heed, not enforced, and in fact trampled underfoot like a welcome mat to criminals, while unjust and ungodly law is made up out of thin air daily in the courts? You yourself admit that if the faith of Americans rests in the law, which was established by God and secured by our Founders to defend the natural rights given Man by God, and that law is ignored, impugned, maligned, destroyed and replaced with some false substitute, we have every reason to be, to say the least, upset. How much more ungodly and repugnant that the practice is defended by the ignorant.

Bottom line, I don't know a SINGLE SOUL who 'obeys' the law in the full sense.

As I said previously, this is just plain Clintonesque, self-evidently so.

But I do know this: an awful huge number of leftists
want to sell everyone on the idea that 'laws' are the highest moral product of man.
This idea is distilled mental poison.

You are saying that it is mental poison to promote the idea that law keeps the world sane. I beg to differ. It is mental poison to profess such lunacy and to believe it. You believe that liberals believe in law and in obeying law? Au contraire, my FRiend, the liberals want only new rulings that do away with established law, and licentiousness (rather than freedom) like condoms for everyone, including murderers, baby killers, terrorists, adulterers, liars, and flag-burners.

The 'point' is this: freedom is not a function of law.

Law exists in America to secure the freedoms of the people (ref. Declaration of Independence) and limit the reach of the law-keepers.

The U.S. constitution is NOT, NOT a document of laws.

I dealt with this before, and I'll deal with it again, in the very same way, hoping that repetition will serve as a teacher where logic and fact itself do not:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby...
U.S. Constitution, Article VI, paragraph 2.

You then have the temerity to say, in the very same post,

You have a valid point that certain laws are being totally ignored ....

You spent your whole post denying the validity of law, then claim that the person to whom you are speaking makes a valid point when they put forth the idea that 'laws' are being 'broken.' Total lunacy.

368 posted on 02/13/2004 3:50:54 PM PST by .30Carbine (Answer D and beyond will be held in abeyance)
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To: .30Carbine
total lunacy

Ok - I'm looking over these posts of yours, and I'm going to have to think about them a bit.

My initial thought is that from a purely debate POV, you outclass me, evidently, and I'm not too pig-headed to concede that. OTOH, I'm not, for some reason (other than lunacy ... for if I'm a lunatic, then you must be thinking roughly 70 percent of FREEPERS have no brain), getting my own point across at all. So, I'm going to think about this too.

Thanks for A, B, C, and D posts - I'm chuckling inwardly, because I do, in truth, love Free Republic. Where else on earth can I risk all this and not catch unreal amounts of incoming grief? Thanks for spending the time and treating the responses with some patience ... that needs to be more common around here.
371 posted on 02/13/2004 4:07:23 PM PST by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon)
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