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Who Killed Jesus? (Newsweek)
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| 2/9/04
| Jon Meacham
Posted on 02/10/2004 10:50:41 AM PST by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife
No body really killed Jesus...he lives....no dead body no crime....:)
Jesus himself said....that "No one takes my life"..." I lay it down willingly" "the Father has told me this is his will and I do the will of my father" " I lay down my life...that I might take it up again"
Jesus also told us that at anytime during the events preceding his crucification...he could have asked His Father to send a legion of his Heavenly angels to defeat his enemies and His Father would do so...
The religious leaders of the day had the Romans crucify Jesus because Jesus flat out told them that
He is God.... and that He is Messiah.....and God the Son ...
They pretty much flipped out at that...
He was killed by the Jews for heresy and for blasphemy....at least this was the motivation they told themselves and others..Jesus however rightly judged their hearts..and called them children of their father the devil..they really killed Jesus because their hearts were hardened by greed "The love of money being the root of all evil...and the Jewish relgious leaders of the day were afraid of loosing their cushy gig...
The Roman ,Pilate, went along with the Jewish leaders for fear of that they might falsely report his inability to govern a desert kingdom such as Judea or had he refused to crucify Jesus (whom Pilate declared "An innocent man")and allowed Jesus to continue his teaching the Jewish leaders convinced Pilate the Jews would be persuaded to revolt against the Romans ...
Pilate wished for a better posting...if he governed well in Judea...and feared a bad report falling on Rome's ears The Jewish religious leaders feared that Jesus was about to put them out of business...that they would no longer be able to profit as middle men...between man and God....
Jesus told them this in so many words...Jesus told them that "No man can come to the Father but by me"...
The Pharisees were pretty much out of business unless they got rid of God the Son Had Jesus been merely mortal...they would have succeeded..instead they did the will of God the Father and God the Son...
For had they not falsely accused and persuaded Pilate to crucify God the Son...No one would be saved...
Both the Romans and the Jewish leaders and their followers did the will of God....for without their dirty work...no one would be saved...
One would almost be inclined to thank them...but condemning anyone of them for their deeds is foolish...it had to be...
It was both God the Father and God the Son's will that things happened the way the did...
Not to mention.. it was also prophesied in the old testament and happened just as it was foretold...
To the glory of God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit
imo
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posted on
02/10/2004 11:36:43 AM PST
by
joesnuffy
(Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
To: truthandlife
The Sanhedrin. Nuff said.
As another poster said: If you don't like the movie, read the book.
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posted on
02/10/2004 11:36:49 AM PST
by
Clemenza
(East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
To: Mr. Bird
Arkancide?
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posted on
02/10/2004 11:36:55 AM PST
by
stuartcr
It's obvious that the Romans killed him. Crucifixion was a Roman punishment.
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posted on
02/10/2004 11:39:34 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(nice of Pope John Paul II to align with the Jew-hating PLO and Syria, eh?)
To: truthandlife
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HATE killed JESUS and Lost.
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posted on
02/10/2004 11:40:25 AM PST
by
ALOHA RONNIE
(Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com.A)
To: truthandlife
Time/Newsweek Plan A: Ignore movie. Hope it goes away.
Time/Newsweek Plan B: Muddy the water with accusations of anti-Semitism.
Time/Newsweek Plan C: Kiss your a$$ goodbye as "The Passion" grosses $1B.
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posted on
02/10/2004 12:20:25 PM PST
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: Elsie
AMEN!
To: truthandlife
Who Killed Jesus?Who Created Jesus?
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posted on
02/10/2004 1:28:25 PM PST
by
thesummerwind
(Like painted kites, those days and nights, they went flyin' by)
To: truthandlife
JUST STARTING TO READ THIS, BUT HAVE TO SAY, I LOVE YOUR TAGLINE!
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posted on
02/10/2004 5:13:44 PM PST
by
Ethan_Allen
(Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)
To: truthandlife
Great posts; loved all of them. Here's another thought:
1Cr 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
1Cr 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Cr 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Cr/1Cr002.html#8 [In other words, they fell into God's snare, His plan for salvation of ALL mankind, planned from even before Gen. 3:15]
Look up 'princes' v. 8 [hit Blue 'C' to left of verse; see verses in which it is used]
Lexicon Results for archon (Strong's 758)
Greek for 758
1) a ruler, commander, chief, leader
Treasury of Scripture of Knowledge
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Cr/2/8.html There's plenty of blame to go around. The point is, it was the plan; He took the blame for all of us, rose from the dead and thus conquered death for all who would get on the same page. Hope everyone will this time.
Jesus Is God
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pentecostal/One-Ch4.htm
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posted on
02/10/2004 5:53:59 PM PST
by
Ethan_Allen
(Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)
To: truthandlife
Just read the Newsweek article. It's worth checking out.
Some points:
- The author dismisses the reliability of the Gospels right away. To his credit, he states this pretty early on.
- However, Gibson gets unfairly criticized repeatedly for using the Gospels for the account of Jesus' Passion.
- The author relies on his interpretation of other sources to occasionally try to discredit the Gospel. For example, he claims that it's unlikely Pilate would have been somewhat unequivocal about crucifying Jesus. IMO, that's the author's opinion at best.
- He makes a claim near the end that the Catholic church is saying Jesus' mercy extends to unbelievers by citing some Catholic quote about the need for non-dicrimination, regardless of religious belief. I'm too lazy to check it out, but I bet that's taken way out of context.
- The whole idea that Gibson should be criticized for relying on the Gospels only is just terribly unfair. The whole point of Gibson effort was to be true to the Gospels. IMO, the anti-Semitic flap is just a backlash against authentic Christianity.
- Interestingly, the author seems to respect much of the Christian message, but without Jesus' exclusive claim of deity.
- The worst and weakest claim of the author was that Jesus probably did not claim to be divine. He says it wasn't that rare for Jews to claim to be the Messiah. I haven't heard that one before. It's just part of an overall 'historical' view of the author that the Gospels are unreliable.
Anyway, I suspect the author would have been even more anti-biblical, anti-fundamentalist Christian if the NewsWeek editors didn't hold him back.
The author doesn't blast the movie for its artistic value. By that lack of criticism, I suspect he enjoyed the movie in spite of himself. And I don't think he really wants to cast Gibson as anti-Semetic. The article goes into some depth of how and why Christians teach it doesn't make sense to blame only the Jews.
Again, it's an interesting read that I recommend to others.
-- Joe
To: truthandlife
Yes, Jews killed Jesus.
But we do hate christians and please do not hate us.
We love america... and bush.
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