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Dems Don't Get Terror Threat
Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | 10 Feb 04 | Nicole Gelinas

Posted on 02/10/2004 6:04:13 AM PST by Warrior Nurse

DEMS DON'T GET TERROR THREAT

By NICOLE GELINAS

February 10, 2004 -- PRESIDENT Bush's $530 billion expansion of Medicare won't kill anyone, and it can be reversed. Bush's tax cuts won't kill anyone, and they can be repealed. A $500 billion budget deficit won't kill anyone, and it can be repaid. Islamist terrorists can - and will - kill people. So voters who are unhappy with Bush's unchecked spending habit - and they have a point - had better hold their noses and come to the polls in November.

Islamist terrorists remain the clearest and most present danger to America. Yet the Democrats who represent themselves as the foreign-policy experts of the pack would turn the clock on national security back to the middle of the Clinton era.

Frontrunner Sen. John Kerry had this to say recently: "The War on Terror is . . . is occasionally military, and it will be . . . for a long time. . . . But it's primarily an intelligence and law-enforcement operation that requires cooperation around the world - the very thing this administration is worst at."

No one doubts that we must improve our intelligence-gathering capabilities. But 9/11 proved that international terrorism can't be halted with aggressive law enforcement.

Those who bombed the Trade Center in '93 are rotting in prison; that attack ended in a law-enforcement victory for America. But the Twin Towers are no more; throwing Ramzi Yousef in jail was no deterrent. Law enforcement is no answer when those who hate us will die to kill us.

Can the FBI help? Sure. But daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime. Libya's Moammar Khadafy isn't dismantling his weapons programs because he's afraid of the FBI - he just doesn't want to find himself at the bottom of a spider hole in 2005.

"And, most importantly," Kerry continued, "the War on Terror is also an engagement in the Middle East economically, socially, culturally, in a way that we haven't embraced, because otherwise we're inviting a clash of civilizations." This root-causes stuff isn't "most important" - it's a footnote to the real war.

It's fine, and even useful, for us to examine the motives and living conditions of our enemies. But we mustn't confuse this with self-defense.

Mohamed Atta had plenty of clean water and fresh food in Florida. Yasser Arafat has stashed hundreds of millions of dollars abroad while his subjects remain poor. It's a noble sentiment for us to want to better the lives of innocents abroad who have been victimized by their own leaders. But that's charity, not security.

Gen. Wesley Clark offers no alternative to Kerry's approach - only excuses.

"We always recognized that there was a threat of terrorism," Clark admonished Tom Brokaw when asked about the failures of the Clinton administration. "And we began in 1996, with Khobar Towers, to really work on the . . . anti-terrorism measures. . . . In '98, when Osama bin Laden issued a fatwa against the United States, there should have been, at that point, measures to go and get Osama bin Laden. I'm told that there were such measures that were attempted to be undertaken. Why they didn't work . . . I don't know."

Message: Don't blame President Clinton - he tried his best.

The Dems are focused on process, not results. Clinton knew bin Laden was a threat, and he attempted to "undertake measures." That bin Laden plotted to kill 3,000 Americans during the waning years of his term is irrelevant. Since Clinton didn't run afoul of multilateral institutions, he gets a pass.

Bush has toppled two totalitarian regimes, rescued millions from Saddam and killed or detained thousands of terrorists. But he's still an ideologue and an international rogue, so, the Dems say, he has to go.

What Bush has accomplished since 9/11 was not pre-ordained. After that day, lots of folks were wringing their hands, saying things would never be the same - that Americans, like Israelis, would just have to live with some level of terrorism.

Bush said no.

Bush invited legitimate criticism when he paired his geopolitical achievements abroad with his effort to stop steroid abuse at home in his State of the Union speech. He shouldn't stoop to the programmatic level of the candidates - because they can't rise to his.


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To: petercooper
thank you....
41 posted on 02/10/2004 7:42:04 AM PST by God luvs America (Howard Dean is a deranged lunatic!!)
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To: lugsoul
"It is a time-honored tactic of grossly overestimating the capability of your bogeyman in order to secure compliance from the populace for doing what you want to do anyway."

And if they grossly underestimate? How long would the firestorm last?

"At some point, Saddam had chem/bio weapons. Most of what he had was crude, and his delivery systems were not very effective unless you were in a Kurd village or massed Iranian troops. There are model airplane enthusiasts who can build something more sophisticated that his "drones."

Does not a city make a good target for a crude delivery system?
42 posted on 02/10/2004 7:44:52 AM PST by Broadside Joe
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To: American_Centurion
Outstanding tagline
43 posted on 02/10/2004 7:47:44 AM PST by Warrior Nurse (Black, white or Hispanic the jihadists are trying to kill us all, you better recognize!)
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To: Warrior Nurse
Wow! This from the Journal Constitution!
44 posted on 02/10/2004 7:49:16 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Broadside Joe
You mean an Iraqi helicopter? Or Iraqi artillery shells? Sure, if you are talking about a city in Iraq.

The risk on underestimating does also exist. But, with the exception of AQ's ability to pull off the 9/11 attacks, there is no history whatsoever of underestimating the attack capability of Islamicists. I'm not too worried about that. As far as the things they can actually pull off on a regular basis, there is no amount of military action that will stop a guy with a backpack from getting on a bus.

I guess you'd just prefer that we spend $1B a month or so thwarting overhyped threats. If one accepts the simplistic "we are just going to stop the threats before they arise" approach, there is no justification for not taking out Pakistan and Iran IMMEDIATELY. They both pose far greater threats than Iraq, because the threat of a "smoking gun appearing in the form of a mushroom cloud" is at least realistic in those cases.

45 posted on 02/10/2004 7:53:36 AM PST by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul
I guess you'd just prefer that we spend $1B a month or so thwarting overhyped threats. If one accepts the simplistic "we are just going to stop the threats before they arise" approach, there is no justification for not taking out Pakistan and Iran IMMEDIATELY. They both pose far greater threats than Iraq, because the threat of a "smoking gun appearing in the form of a mushroom cloud" is at least realistic in those cases.

The issue is far more asymetrical than that. Iraq was clearly a supporter of terrorism, had used chemical weapons in the past, had not complied with the terms of the 1991 cease fire regarding clear demonstration that they had destroyed their WMDs, was a destablizing force and was run by the worst of the pan-Arabist leaders. So there were plenty of reasons within the borders of Iraq to take out Saddam and his regime.

However, the benefits of taking out Saddam extend well beyond the borders of Iraq. Prior to the Iraq War, and thanks to a joint effort between Bush the Elder and Clinton, the world viewed American resolve through the filter of Mogadishu - and the tyrants believed that any American military action would be hamstrung by popular opposition once the body bags started coming back - and Clinton's subsequent tactics against Kosovo, namely bombing from high altitude to avoid casualties only buttressed that perception.

Now that America has shown that it will take out a despot that threatens our interests, not let the UN prevent us from action AND, most importantly, will maintain popular support in the face of casualties, all of a sudden the tyrants have to re-examine their premises that small-scale defensive actions would be sufficient to deter any American military action. And many of them are suddenly willing to cooperate with American demands - Qaddafi specifically alluded to the Iraq War and Saddams capture as the final determinant in his decision to end his WMD programs - programs that American intel underestimated.

So it is counterproductive to demand that we follow the same policy against Pakistan as we did against Iraq. Each country poses its own foreign policy challenges, its own ability to counter American power, and its own intertwining interests (with North Korea having the most, with ties to China and Russia and interested parties in South Korea and Japan). But now the despots eye the bloodied big stick in the hands of America and realize that their blood could be added to it as well. And that changes everything.

46 posted on 02/10/2004 8:05:25 AM PST by dirtboy (We have come here not to insult Howard Dean, but to bury him...)
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To: lugsoul
"Or Iraqi artillery shells?"
Why would it be limited to an Iraqi city?

"But, with the exception of AQ's ability to pull off the 9/11 attacks, there is no history whatsoever of underestimating the attack capability of Islamicists."

And what happened again to the twin towers in 93?

"there is no amount of military action that will stop a guy with a backpack from getting on a bus."

But they can hunt down every single one in the network and help them get to their virgins ahead of schedule. That is unless you would rather just sit and let it happen.

"I guess you'd just prefer that we spend $1B a month or so thwarting overhyped threats."

And I'm sure you have something to prove that the threats are 'overhyped'. That $1B is at it's most basic level, the first and foremost responsibility of the ferderal government. And that is to protect us.
47 posted on 02/10/2004 8:08:17 AM PST by Broadside Joe
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To: Broadside Joe
What happened in '93? Well, they tried to blow up one tower, cause it to topple into the other, and release a cloud of cyanide gas in the process. And they succeeded only in blowing up part of the basement and starting a fire. And, in hindsight, it was a lucky break - without the lessons learned that day, many more would've died on 9/11. "That $1B is at it's most basic level, the first and foremost responsibility of the ferderal government. And that is to protect us."

Unless and until the government is willing to put its money where its mouth is and protect our borders and our ports, this rings pretty hollow.

48 posted on 02/10/2004 8:23:41 AM PST by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: dirtboy
You are mirroring. Why in the world do we assume that these lunatics apply rational thought in the way that we would? They sure haven't done it in the past.
49 posted on 02/10/2004 8:25:36 AM PST by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul
Show me an Iraqi artillery battery in reach of Atlanta, and I'll worry about that. Or a helicopter with that range. Until then, you need to be clear that there is a distinction between what could possibly happen and what is at all likely to happen. Kim Jong Il could give a nuke to AQ. The Paks may have already.
50 posted on 02/10/2004 8:28:19 AM PST by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul
"And they succeeded only in blowing up part of the basement and starting a fire. And, in hindsight, it was a lucky break"

Which is OUR lucky break. We never saw it coming. Which also disproves your earlier assertion that "But, with the exception of AQ's ability to pull off the 9/11 attacks, there is no history whatsoever of underestimating the attack capability of Islamicists."

"Unless and until the government is willing to put its money where its mouth is and protect our borders and our ports, this rings pretty hollow."

I'll agree that we have to close the boarders, but because you don't try to treat a cold is no reason not to treat a cancer.
51 posted on 02/10/2004 8:38:05 AM PST by Broadside Joe
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
It was a miracle that only 3,000 died that day!!

And that is only because of the time of the attacks. Alot of people weren't even at work yet or were out getting their breakfasts to take into work. If they had timed those attacks any later say about 9:30-10:00 there would have been a hell of alot more killed that day in NYC.

52 posted on 02/10/2004 8:43:02 AM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: Broadside Joe
First, my reference was to underestimating their capability, not their intent or their willingness. I don't think anyone believed that they weren't capable of setting off a car bomb in a parking lot. It is a long leap from there to a cataclysmic attack of the type this Administration constantly tries to conjure in our minds.

Your medicine reference is appropriate, but your analogy is a bit off. A more apt comparison would be between taking your own vaccine as opposed to killing off a carrier of the disease.

Perhaps this is where we disagree. You, and many others, seem to think that we can eradicate radical Islam simply by killing as many radical Muslims as we can find who have indicated some sympathy for those who would attack us. If we kill all those who might attack us, then there is no need to protect ourselves, because there is no threat. I, on the other hand, think that the elimination of the threat in the vast areas of the globe that we do not control is a fantasy, and a fantasy recklessly perpetuated by the Administration.

53 posted on 02/10/2004 8:45:22 AM PST by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul
"Show me an Iraqi artillery battery in reach of Atlanta"

Go ahead and keep trying to minimize the threat. The IED's in Iraq use the shells. No artillery needed.
54 posted on 02/10/2004 8:45:27 AM PST by Broadside Joe
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To: Broadside Joe
Minimize the threat? You apparently agree with those who say that mustard gas in Tikrit is a threat to you here. Care to explain how it becomes dangerous to you, without delving in the world of complete fantasy?
55 posted on 02/10/2004 8:47:56 AM PST by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul
"You apparently agree with those who say that mustard gas in Tikrit is a threat to you here."

Not just mustard gas but VX ect ect. Or even a bio weapon. For some of the reasons you gave yourself. Open boarders and ports as you mentioned.
56 posted on 02/10/2004 8:53:19 AM PST by Broadside Joe
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To: petitfour
At least as of Memorial Day 2000 Bush had some pretty heavy security when he spoke in Killeen Texas. Of course, it was definite by that time he was the Republican nominee. It's interesting to see secret service types in full suit and tie not breaking a sweat in the Texas sun.

As for terrorist possibilities to hurt Kerry - do you really think they'd want to do away with their choice for President?

57 posted on 02/10/2004 9:08:22 AM PST by Spyder (Just another day in Paradise)
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To: Spyder
You're right about Kerry being a terr'ists choice for leader of the U.S.

I don't know this for certain, but I guess that George W. had security provided by the Texas Rangers. When security is visible, folks get the idea that they're in the presence of someone important. It makes them look more presidential. Kerry did not look presidential to us. Even with his Botox wearin' off face.
58 posted on 02/10/2004 9:15:45 AM PST by petitfour
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To: Broadside Joe
Then the issue would seem to be one of what works. We quite obviously don't even know where all in the world this stuff might be, nor what the sympathies might be of all who possess it. So the concept of going and getting it all does not hold up as a viable solution. But directing efforts toward stopping them, whoever they may be, from bringing it here certainly would make good sense. Amazing how much it is ignored in the public discourse.
59 posted on 02/10/2004 9:54:03 AM PST by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul
As the President said in so many words, if you house,feed, finance or otherwise participate in terror against us, we will deal with you any way we see fit.

The Taliban found out, Saddam found out and now Libya got religion and rolled over. That sends a very strong message to governments that think they can allow such things to originate from their soil. Yes this is only part of the problem but it is a part. If I were a dictator wanting to stay in power, I would make sure that these types were not operating in my country.
60 posted on 02/10/2004 10:18:00 AM PST by Broadside Joe
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