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To: livius
"I couldn't figure out what there was not to like about higher standards"

Higher standards are great. Putting the federal government in charge of them in this way is not. It requires an entirely new concept of what the country actually is. 'Course lots of Americans already have such a concept.

5 posted on 02/10/2004 5:00:57 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Sam Cree; Glenn
Well, like it or not, the Federal Government is already in control of education, and I doubt that it's leaving anytime soon. States receive huge amounts of money from the Fed Govt, and yet they continue to crank out kids who can't even do simple math.

I'd rather see the Feds insist on academic standards than sex-ed, however, and I think this is a positive move.

Bush has also put considerable effort into trying to get voucher programs passed. I think this is where conservative efforts should go.

Personally, I think homeschooling is the best option, but I realize that many people can't do it, for one reason or another. Vouchers would solve the whole problem, but unfortunately, there's not enough support in Congress or at the state level to get this program past the teachers'unions and the entrenched education bureacracy on the massive scale that it needs.

I bet there's no need to "impose" higher standards on schools that have to compete for students!

11 posted on 02/10/2004 5:49:08 AM PST by livius
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To: Sam Cree
Higher standards are great. Putting the federal government in charge of them in this way is not.
Uniformity of standards also has something to commend it; I was much taken by the C-Span-televised education testimony presented to the governors' conference some years back. That testimony made the point that although there is a standard corpus of knowledge to be learned--decimals and fractions, whatever--there is not only no uniformity between states but no uniformity even inside a single school in the prioritization of the teaching of those things.

Such schools perrenially prove the adage that "If everything is important then nothing is important." Demanding the teaching of everything all the time means the random selection of topics focused on--and without an extraordinary run of luck it means that students will be re-re-taught fractions and never ever taught percentages.

And the point was made that "women and minorities suffer most"--that whatever coherence might exist in a given school district did not avail people who moved repeatedly from one district to another, and that disproportionately happened to low-income kids.

So there is need for a settled way of sequencing things. There is such a thing as a "model law" for state regulation--something which is not mandatory but which is voluntarily adopted by states because it makes sense and there is no overriding rationale to do anything different. There is also such a thing as completely voluntary standards such as Windows, which provides advantages to its adoptees. And it would seem that in a libertarian world McSchools would arise with coherent curricula, perhaps in association with churches.


13 posted on 02/10/2004 6:05:37 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Belief in your own objectivity is the essence of subjectivity.)
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