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W. Raspberry: What we really need to be looking at on Iraq
Houston Chronicle ^ | February 6, 2004 | William Raspberry

Posted on 02/09/2004 11:11:43 AM PST by cogitator

President Bush, his credibility in the balance, is appointing a commission to investigate the failures of prewar intelligence on Iraq.

His opponents, sensing an opportunity, are saying it's nothing but a trick. Since there's no way the commission would report its findings -- certainly not anything negative -- before the presidential election, the commission only buys the president time to ride out the crisis.

The skeptics are probably right. But even they miss what may be the most important point raised by the Iraq War. We are arguing now about what the president knew, and when he knew it. What might be more helpful in the long term is a discussion of what he did, and why he did it.

It's a point Robert L. Oorthuys of Shohomish, Wash., wants to make.

"A protracted examination of the CIA is purely a red herring," he told me. "There is no indication that a few more accuracy points on the part of the CIA would have prevented this mistake. The real issue has to do with the standards and justifications we allow our leaders to use when making the decision to let loose our troops on foreign shores."

In other words, we mustn't get so involved with replaying the video to see how much Janet Jackson exposed, and how deliberately, that we miss the fact that the Super Bowl was being played.

The Super Bowl, in the Iraq War case, is the matter of when, how and under what circumstances America will make war.

This is what Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., was saying a year ago -- to such deafening silence:

"This coming battle, if it materializes, represents a turning point in U.S. foreign policy and possibly a turning point in the recent history of the world," Byrd was saying before our warplanes struck Iraq with the obvious intention of killing its president.

"The doctrine of pre-emption -- the idea that the United States or any other nation can legitimately attack a nation that is not imminently threatening but may be threatening in the future -- is a radical new twist on the traditional idea of self-defense."

Byrd, dean of the Senate Democrats, saw the danger before the war. Oorthuys, who describes himself as "a 53-year-old lightly employed software consultant," worries that we will be distracted from it now -- in part by the very commission that is supposed to clear things up.

"We need to clearly understand and agree on how the U.S. makes the decision to go to war," he says. "We face similar circumstances in Syria, Iran, Pakistan, North Korea and other places. With Iraq, we have made an enormous mistake that has cost thousands of lives and huge amounts of money, while drawing into question our very motivations and values.

"So we need to examine how this administration came to the conclusion that war was finally and absolutely required. And we need to know what parts were played by members of the administration and Congress."

Americans, for all our imagined sophistication, can be incredibly naive and manipulable. Let an earnest-looking political leader tell us that what he proposes is in the interest of good old American values, and we might be led into repealing the Bill of Rights, requiring prayer in our public schools, denying civil rights to "heathens and infidels" -- or making war on "evil" countries that are no particular menace to us. Someone needs to remind us of the things we used to learn in junior high civics classes.

That doesn't make the president's commission a bad idea -- though it's hard to see how it could bring much clarity. Already, we have the secretary of state saying he might have recommended differently about going to war if he knew what he now knows; we have the head of the CIA acknowledging "some intelligence shortcomings" and predicting that the agency will be revealed as neither completely wrong nor completely right.

And it won't matter any more than if, some weeks hence, it is determined definitively that Janet Jackson was wearing a pastie. It's still just a distraction.

But we also have a former Treasury secretary saying the administration was determined to have this war long before 9/11 provided a pretext, and some pretty good evidence that some in the administration wanted the war as a first step in rearranging the geopolitics of the Middle East.

We need to know whether our government was hijacked, or nearly so, by a small cabal of ideologues. That could be the whole ball game.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush; doctrine; intelligence; iraq; prewarintelligence; raspberry; war; wmdinvestigation
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I've been thinking this for weeks and this is the first time I've seen similar thoughts stated in print. There is nothing wrong with a doctrine that justifies a preemptive strike against a threat; but it has to be based on a rock-solid indication of substantial (not necessarily imminent) threat. The problem is that the UN didn't follow through on the statements of the resolutions against Iraq, which ALSO justified the action that the U.S. took. By not having rock-solid indications of threat combined with the lack of international resolve to enforce previous resolutions, the U.S. and Britain and the rest of the coalition forces went out on a limb when they liberated Iraq, the limb being the strong belief that the substantial threat of WMDs would be found. Now that's questionable, and despite the salient fact that the world is a much better place with Saddam in custody, we have to determine if intelligence data, by itself, justifies preemptive war.

I know this is a hot-button topic right now, but I think that makes it worth of discussion.

1 posted on 02/09/2004 11:11:45 AM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
What isn't mentioned in an otherwise interesting article is that Saddam was given a final chance to let the UN inspectors back in without conditions. He refused.

Saddam was given time to come into compliance with unanimously approved Resolution 1441. He refused.

Saddam was given a final chance to update his WMD list. He refused.

Saddam was given time to have his troops stand down and leave the country by both Blair and Bush. He refused.

Given the number of FBI agents and administration officials who believe that Iraq had a role in the first WTC bombing, I wouldn't even call this a pre-emptive strike against Iraq.

Given that the AQ terrorist who was a roommate with Atta in Germany was recently released, although the judge said it wasn't because he was innocent, but rather it couldn't be proven he was guilty, I would prefer to fight a pre-emptive war against a rogue nation and evil mass murderer than try to fight terrorism in the courts, which is what Kerry would like to do.

It would be one thing if we attacked, say, Canada or France. Arguments could easily be made against the pre-emptive doctrine in those cases. But we freed a nation, stopped the killing, have found a nation state for terrorists to gather, making it easier for our soldiers to find them, and stopped someone whose sole purpose for the last 13 years has been to find bigger, better WMD in which to use against the United States, according to Saddam's own often repeated words.
2 posted on 02/09/2004 11:20:53 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: cogitator
The POTUS is charged with the responsibility to act decisively in our defense. That means, buy definition, that decisions must be made without waiting for 100% of the information. Waiting for more than 40% is stalling, and will only lead to more loss of life.

We know that Hussein harbors and supports terrorists (Salman Pak, Dollars for Jihadis ect), we know that he has in the past seeked WMD, he has in the past used WMD, and we can assume he would have nuked us as soon as he could get the device to his proxy (Al Quida).

Hussain was in breach of the cease fire agreement by not providing documentation on the destruction of his last known WMD, was sandbagging inspectors, and had attacked US aircraft over 300 times. The end of a cease fire means a return to fire.
Had the POTUS done anything other than attack Iraq, he would have been derilict in his duty.

3 posted on 02/09/2004 11:22:02 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: cogitator
we have to determine if intelligence data, by itself, justifies preemptive war.

Intelligence data is just another tool in any president's arsenal. We should want the best intelligence because it helps us wage war more effectively. The decision to wage war, however, is a matter of policy. After 9/11, President Bush decided, rightly in my view, that US policy would be to take the war to our enemies before they could launch more such attacks on us. Afghanistan and Iraq were at the top of the target list, so they got hit one-two. The issue now is whether to continue the war to victory. The Democrats, predictably, want to throw in the towel. President Bush doesn't. It's that simple.

4 posted on 02/09/2004 11:24:24 AM PST by Argus
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To: Peach
As I noted in my comment, there's no doubt that he was in full defiance of the UN resolutions; he passed on several "last-chance" options that were provided, as you said; and
the countries in the UN should have admitted that it was time to take action because of his defiance of the resolutions. I think right now the Bush Administration should re-focus the debate (if possible) on the fact that the UN didn't want to put the teeth of force behind their resolutions. However, one problem with the pre-emption doctrine is that it could provide other countries with false justification for attacks on other countries that are primarily in national self-interest.

5 posted on 02/09/2004 11:28:12 AM PST by cogitator
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To: Peach
Great Post, Peach!
7 posted on 02/09/2004 11:37:23 AM PST by TheEngineer
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To: cogitator
The doctrine of "pre-emptive" war isn't particularly new, nor does it necessarily apply in the case of Iraq. Raspberry himself has lost sight of the overall picture here - this wasn't something that just popped up, it was the culmination of terms of surrender of a war that really was unilateral and undeclared - that of Saddam on Kuwait. Saddam repeatedly and consistently avoided or flouted those terms, and it was only in the context of doing so that the issue of WMD assumed its pre-eminence.

I would agree that the intelligence "failure" isn't the main issue here. It certainly isn't a strictly U.S. "failure," (that word in quotes because everyone is now proceeding under the equally unproven assumption that because we didn't encounter these weapons in the field, they never existed). Of course, (1) at one point they did because he used them, and (2) nearly every intelligence agency in the world was similarly "fooled." Saddam himself went to considerable lengths to cultivate the notion that they were still around, including issuing atropine and chemical suits to his Republican Guard units. It may well all have been a sham, if a thoroughly illogical one, but if it was, it was a good one.

Much of this re-examination will cover old ground. If intelligence indications about such weapons are considered insufficient for response, then what will be sufficient? Must we really wait for their use?

8 posted on 02/09/2004 11:38:40 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: cold_duck
Arguments could easily be made against the pre-emptive doctrine in those cases.

Against the doctrine in those countries. Not for the doctrine.
9 posted on 02/09/2004 11:39:50 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: TheEngineer
Thank you!
10 posted on 02/09/2004 11:40:01 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: cogitator
Sour grapes.. from the raspberry.
11 posted on 02/09/2004 11:40:17 AM PST by TheRightResponse
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To: cogitator
There can and probably will be good reasons to have discussion about the use of the pre-emptive doctrine.

Although President Bush does not mention often enough for my taste, he does mention that the UN needs to either enforce their own resolutions or become irrelevant. (I believe that time has passed for the UN). He has also mentioned that they are a great debating society (or words to that effect).

They may re-shape the argument the way you have mentioned, but it will just tick off the already angry left and considering the president tries to work with people rather than publicly humiliate them, I rather doubt his words will get much stronger than they have already been on this matter.

My feeling when/if the broader policy is debated and discussed, is that the president should make the voting public well aware that in regard to the war on terror, when terrorists don't typically have nation states that can be easily attacked, our options are limited.

We can do what we did in Iraq, which has caused so many terrorist groups to gather for a "last stand." Or we can try to track them down one by one, only to have some of them go free, as Atta's roommate did in Germany last week.

If Kerry and the rest of the Rats had their way, we would only go after terrorists with law enforcement. That would necessarily require that we wait until attacked again and then try to bring the terrorists to justice, assuming they had not already died in the attack.

I think if the president or other administration officials clarify the policy carefully and explain the choices, only extreme leftists will have a problem with the pre-emptive doctrine. (That's an overly optimistic statement, but I will let it stand).
12 posted on 02/09/2004 11:46:03 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: cogitator; All
This is an important point. But I do not agree with the standard.

This is the same argument Nelville Chamberlin made in the 1930's about Hitler--just give him Checkoslovaka and he no longer represents a threat to anyone.

Part of the argument today results from Bush's failure to define the enemy. The enemy is a disorganized assembly of Mohammadan religious groups; and related ethnic and geographical political interests that are offended by the success and prosperity generated by the free enterprise limited government constitutional political system.

The offense results from the threat posed by the modern information age--like the socialists in Russia, it is no longer possible to conceal the fact that our Christian, constitutional political free enterprise economic system provides a much better life for our citizens than their system does. Sooner or later, the people wake up and throw their rulers out.

Saddam was a clear contributor to the disorganized assembly that is determined to destroy us. At one point, he had, was paying individual scientists to develop, was seeking technical assistance in the development of, weapons of mass destruction; chemical, biological, and nuclear. He contributed money; paid suicide bombers; and provided other resources to the attacking forces. None of this is at issue.

There is room for argument about the quantum of other resources--in his closed society, records don't exist to prove this. The Check's are pretty clear that there was a connection between Saddam's forces and the 911 attackers--but again, this is covert action and the record may be a little fuzzy.

But no doubt Saddam was allied with the enemy. And taking him out has made a major impact on the enemy assets. The enemy alliance has lost Libya (at least for the moment). Iraq is no longer a base for the enemy; no longer provides financial support for the enemy; and there is at least hope that a democratic or at least representative government will turn out to be an ally instead of an enemy. Revenue realized in Iraq from sale of oil to the West will no longer be used to support the war on America.

Fuzzy liberals like Rasberry don't make the connection but they didn't make the connection with Hitler in the 1930's either.

We may have a number of differences with the administration about how the attack was conduced; how the troops were supplied; how long we need to be there; and what the end product ought to look like. We may also differ on the issue of what we should do with the remaining problems like North Korea; Iran; Syria; and even Saudia Arabia. But there should be no argument about the propriety of the action in Iraq--it was a success; and it was in American interests.

And if the Liberals pursue the Russert line from Sunday morning as the basis for the campaign, Bush will win as he did against Russert. The American people know that administration policy was the right thing to have done.

Bush would do better if he could be a little clearer on the nature of the threat--from a domestic political perspective, he would like the Islamics to vote for him (which they won't) so he fails to identify them as the foundation for the use of force against America. Sooner or later, some American leader will stand up and define the threat in a way Americans can understand. But Raspberry misses the target.

13 posted on 02/09/2004 11:50:01 AM PST by David
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To: Argus
After 9/11, President Bush decided, rightly in my view, that US policy would be to take the war to our enemies before they could launch more such attacks on us.

I agree with the policy too. The devil is in the details. To phrase the question, at what point is full-scale war the option that you have to use to address the potentiality of such attacks?

Elaborating: there's a range of potential threats. To write it quickly:
A. Thinking about attacking us, but not capable of it;
B. Thinking about attacking us, and capable of it with a lot of effort and help;
C. Thinking about attacking us, capable of it and in the process of creating the means to do so;
D. Thinking about attacking us, capable of it and planning to use the existing weapons in their possession to do so.

I think, unless the foe clearly and obviously backs off when at level C, that level C justifies pre-emptive war. It seems to me that based on what we know now, Iraq and Saddam were at Level B, but pre-war intelligence indicated level C. So the attack was justified on pre-war intelligence but not on post-war intelligence. And that presents the problem for this doctrine.

14 posted on 02/09/2004 11:51:01 AM PST by cogitator
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To: Billthedrill
Nice reply. See what I said in #14.

If intelligence indications about such weapons are considered insufficient for response, then what will be sufficient? Must we really wait for their use?

The answer to the 2nd question is "absolutely not". The answer to the first question has to be about the quality of intelligence data.

Look at Libya. Apparently they had a much more extensive program than we knew about, perhaps more advanced than Iraq. Might have even justified a war to take out Khadaffi. But we didn't have good enough intelligence data to indicate that we should even consider a war against Libya.

15 posted on 02/09/2004 11:56:32 AM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
I don't think Iraq was really a pre-emptive war, so the justifications for it as such are irrelevant. Rather, I view Iraq as the latest in a series of military campaigns in a war that's been going on for decades, but which only came out into the open following the collapse of the Soviet empire. It's possible to argue about the point at which this war commenced, but I'd put it at the seizure of our embassy by the Iranian Islamic revolutionaries c. 1979.
16 posted on 02/09/2004 11:57:00 AM PST by Argus
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To: Peach
My feeling when/if the broader policy is debated and discussed, is that the president should make the voting public well aware that in regard to the war on terror, when terrorists don't typically have nation states that can be easily attacked, our options are limited.

Put me down for strong agreement on that point. Unfortunately I'm reminded of the game "Whack-a-mole". They keep popping up no matter how hard and how fast you whack. The only way to stop playing (in this case) is to turn off the game.

17 posted on 02/09/2004 12:00:09 PM PST by cogitator
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To: David
But no doubt Saddam was allied with the enemy. And taking him out has made a major impact on the enemy assets. The enemy alliance has lost Libya (at least for the moment). Iraq is no longer a base for the enemy; no longer provides financial support for the enemy; and there is at least hope that a democratic or at least representative government will turn out to be an ally instead of an enemy. Revenue realized in Iraq from sale of oil to the West will no longer be used to support the war on America.

Now we need a definitive way to deal with Saudi Arabia. But if Al-Qaeda keeps attacking there, Saudi Arabia may have to deal with it themselves -- which would be a great outcome.

18 posted on 02/09/2004 12:02:29 PM PST by cogitator
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To: David
Part of the argument today results from Bush's failure to define the enemy. The enemy is a disorganized assembly of Mohammadan religious groups; and related ethnic and geographical political interests that are offended by the success and prosperity generated by the free enterprise limited government constitutional political system.

Even if the enemy could be better defined in the public mind, we need better ways to attack them. Strangling the money supply is one of the best ways (I particularly like what you said about Iraqi oil in this post).

19 posted on 02/09/2004 12:04:18 PM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
William Raspberry has always been a liberal slut!
20 posted on 02/09/2004 12:06:52 PM PST by verity
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