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Bush's space plan a political hoax
Florida Today ^ | January 30, 2004 | Alex Roland

Posted on 02/09/2004 5:31:57 AM PST by snopercod

Edited on 05/07/2004 6:04:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

On Jan. 14, President Bush directed NASA to develop an Exploratory Crew Vehicle that would fly to the International Space Station, support construction of a base on the moon, and eventually fly humans to Mars.

To support this bold initiative, he promised $1 billion in new funding for NASA over the next five years, with $11 billion more to be redirected from other NASA programs.


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Mr. Roland describes the way I see it, but others disagree. A rebuttal from http://www.floridatoday.com/news/space/stories/2004a/020804guest.htm

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Debate on Bush space plan has been loaded with falsehoods

BY DWAYNE A. DAY SPECIAL TO FLORIDA TODAY

The announcement of the new national space exploration plan has been accompanied by some sloppy journalism and even sloppier editorializing.

It has been common for various critics of the plan to establish unrealistic strawman arguments that they then demolish in order to try and discredit the plan rather than to debate its merits or shortcomings.

The most common and disingenuous tactic of the plan's opponents has been to claim that a mission to Mars would cost $1 trillion. But the reality is that the people who state this cannot find a single study that supports this figure.

Now Alex Roland's article on this page in last Sunday's FLORIDA TODAY headlined "Bush's space plan a political hoax" adds more inaccurate assertions and poorly researched numbers to the debate.

The article was full of errors, disingenuous arguments, and the inevitable strawman claims.

First, Roland could not even get the name of the newly proposed spacecraft right. It is not the Exploratory Crew Vehicle or the Crew Exploratory Vehicle, as he claimed several times. It is the Crew Exploration Vehicle, which NASA has now announced will be part of a new effort known as Project Constellation.

Roland also asserts that space shuttle development ran absurdly over budget. But this is also untrue. If one turns to page 23 of the report of the Columbia Accident Investigation Board, you will see that NASA completed the shuttle for only 15 percent more than its projected development cost, "a comparatively small cost overrun for so complex a program," the report states.

A little later, Roland makes an apples and oranges comparison of the space station's predicted development costs and the expected actual costs of the space station, which he suggests are $8 billion and $100 billion respectively. But here he makes two errors.

First, Roland does not explicitly acknowledge that he is not comparing the same things. The $8 billion cost first provided in 1984 was before the program was changed in dramatic ways, such as including the Russians and changing the scope of the project. More importantly, that number did not include assembly and operations costs.

So comparing this to the actual costs is akin to comparing the cost of buying a new car to fueling, maintaining and insuring it for 15 years in addition to buying it. Second, the $100 billion cost that Roland cites for the anticipated costs of the International Space Station has been adjusted for inflation, whereas the 1984 cost has not.

Roland is not the first person to do this -- it is a common tactic for space station critics to use -- but he is still being disingenuous. He understates the "promised" cost of the space station in order to exaggerate the difference between it and the actual cost and to once again bash NASA.

But the most egregious strawman claim in the column is that the new Crew Exploration Vehicle will require a rocket "bigger than the Saturn 5 that launched Apollo," which Roland claims will cost $100 billion. This is not a viable argument.

The CEV is intended to be modular, meaning that parts of it could be launched on different vehicles. As students of space history know, in the early 1960s NASA identified several ways of reaching the moon. One of these involved assembling the vehicle in low earth orbit from several launches.

Rather than building a new large vehicle bigger than a Saturn V, NASA or its international partners could simply launch several rockets to assemble the final vehicle in space. Furthermore, the Delta 4 itself can be upgraded to a larger booster capable of placing bigger payloads in orbit. We do not need a mythical super-rocket costing $100 billion.

Finally, Roland writes that the new space plan is merely another means to reprogram existing NASA funds over the next five years to keep the space station program from collapsing. But he provides no evidence for this claim. And considering that money is actually being taken out of the station and shuttle budgets, it appears to be a dubious assertion.

What we need is a careful, informed debate about the new space plan. This should raise some hard questions, such as the wisdom of abandoning efforts to achieve low-cost access to space and whether or not planetary science is going to be crippled at the expense of human spaceflight. But tossing bogus numbers into the debate serves nobody well.

Day served as an investigator for the Columbia Accident Investigation Board, and is a space policy analyst in Washington, D.C.

1 posted on 02/09/2004 5:31:58 AM PST by snopercod
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2 posted on 02/09/2004 5:34:19 AM PST by snopercod (When the people are ready, a master will appear.)
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To: snopercod
I'm glad I stuck with it for the second part :)

I knew something was fishy with the first bit. I'm no rocket scientist (ho ho), but I could figure out that Bush didn't make that stuff up himself. He had to have gone to NASA and said, "if I proposed going to Mars, via a moonbase, what would it take?"

And why would NASA give him a hoax for an answer?

3 posted on 02/09/2004 5:40:00 AM PST by prion
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To: snopercod
re: Roland is a professor of history at Duke University and NASA's former historian.)))

(snicker)--looks like another gripe Roland might have concerns his own inevitable irrelevance.

4 posted on 02/09/2004 5:43:37 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: prion
What gave you the idea that Bush consulted with NASA on his plan. I haven't read that anywhere.
5 posted on 02/09/2004 5:44:19 AM PST by snopercod (When the people are ready, a master will appear.)
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For the record, Japan, Russia, China and the European Space Agency (ESA) have all gone on record as planning on going to the Moon and Mars....

With the exception of China, the rest all made their plans public AFTER the President gave his speech about going to the Moon/Mars.
6 posted on 02/09/2004 5:47:29 AM PST by Skywarner (Freedom isn't Free. Remember our WWII vets!)
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To: snopercod
This rocket would have to be bigger than the Saturn 5 that launched Apollo. Another $100 billion seems a modest estimate for that.

As Day points out, there are several problems with this. At any rate, it is quite dishonest to judge a proposal by something you insert into it after the fact.

And there is zero reason to imagine that a new launch vehicle needs to cost $100 billion. That is the adjusted cost for the entire moon program over its lifespan, starting when our knowledge of rocketry was far less.

And by all appearances, Bush plans on directing NASA to buy launch services from anyone who will provide them, rather than building another "national launch system" like shuttle.

7 posted on 02/09/2004 5:48:31 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: snopercod
What gave you the idea that Bush consulted with NASA on his plan.

Well, he had to consult with somebody, and the logical somebody is NASA. Somehow, I don't think Bush and Rove are sitting in the Oval Office with grid pads sketching out their ideas for lunar landers.

It would be really bizarre to announce a gigantic new NASA initiative without talking to NASA, wouldn't it?

8 posted on 02/09/2004 5:48:34 AM PST by prion
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To: snopercod
To think that spacecraft on the moon can be refueled with oxygen extracted from moon dust is to believe that Halliburton will arrive in advance to build a gas station.

Markie Morford couldn't have said it better. Meow.

9 posted on 02/09/2004 5:50:36 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: snopercod
Message for future Pundits.

Duke = No Credibility

Anyone who starts throwing around the Vice President's name and "Haliburton" speaks a private language I'm not interested in learning, and neither is the American public-at-large, thank the Good Lord.

This guy is just another Bush-hater, mad because the President didn't call and get his opinion first.

10 posted on 02/09/2004 5:52:18 AM PST by Prospero (Ad Astra!)
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To: snopercod
I think it is all about jobs in Florida and Texas. Throw in a few hundred more in Massachusetts and in California and it starts looking like good politics. His brother needs to continue receiving support and GWB can't win without Florida.

Overall, I would rather spend this money, only if done wisely, on space exploration and the attendant science and engineering than spend it on social programs. I think history shows that Apollo's success was largely due to the nearly war time intensity of the various contractors and to the leadership of a great man, von Braun. I would ask, do we have such a leader now? Do we have enough good well trained and competent technical people to carry out the task? Von Braun had the best, his own men trained in Germany, trained under intense pressure, and they indeed delivered.
11 posted on 02/09/2004 5:54:11 AM PST by Final Authority
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To: hopespringseternal
Not sure about the details, but I agree with 2 things here:

1) We need a permanent launch facility on the moon for future operations. Huge savings in mass - most of it is now taken up by fuel needed to breach Earth's gravity.

2) Definately privatize the Space Race - good for the economy. Refocuses the need for Amercian education in the sciences. Math is our friend :)
12 posted on 02/09/2004 5:57:14 AM PST by Fenris6
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To: prion
I don't post replies much these days. I worked at NASA for a while and I can tell you that their ability to judge the cost of anything is suspect. The can't even account for the cost of their own people.

The cost of going to Mars via the moon is a little more than $100B in 1991 dollars. Is it worth it? I don't know. I'm biased in favor of exploration.

Sean O'Keefe is a politician from OMB. He will serve his master's will (GWB). I don't fault him for it. The real question is whether NASA still has enough talent to mount a real exploration program.
13 posted on 02/09/2004 5:57:26 AM PST by Movemout
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To: prion
And why would NASA give him a hoax for an answer?

It does happen, on rare occasion, that a government agency will tell its superiors things that will result in a larger budget even though those things, in a strictly technical sense, might not be entirely true. ;^)

14 posted on 02/09/2004 6:01:21 AM PST by Grut
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To: snopercod
What gave you the idea that Bush consulted with NASA on his plan. I haven't read that anywhere.

NASA engineers and program managers were in consult with both the White House and Congress from ~May-November 2003, not widely reported though.

15 posted on 02/09/2004 6:05:15 AM PST by The_Victor
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To: snopercod
Columbia was a very expensive pop bottle rocket, manned no less, then we burnt one up over Texas and some other southern states, so now we are going to the moon werent we already there? Then on to Mars, logically it meshes with
shipping white collar and all blue collar functions to far
away places soon all upper management should be outscourced to Mongolia as much of NASA should be outscourced to China as they bring more of their people back with less pyrotechnics than Nasa lately, come on this mission to Mars
is almost as silly as installing a democratic republic in Iraq. Too bad the joke is on us.
16 posted on 02/09/2004 6:10:42 AM PST by claptrap
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To: claptrap
Too bad you cannot form a coherent sentence in English.
17 posted on 02/09/2004 6:26:30 AM PST by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: Movemout
I'm biased in favor, as well. Though I'd be happier if we started with the more-achievable permanent moonbase, and really did it, with a deadline and a real budget and everything. That should've been what we did instead of the shuttle.

I worry about long term plans (e.g. manned to Mars) that we really aren't up to yet. Without a Soviet Union to push us, that's sure to get vague, messy and just plain not happen.

18 posted on 02/09/2004 6:31:23 AM PST by prion
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To: snopercod
It is only money. He writes as if he was going to be billed monthly for the costs. No so, it will be quarterly. Much easier to digest that way.
19 posted on 02/09/2004 7:12:43 AM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: snopercod; autoresponder; PhilDragoo; onyx; yall
bttt for later ...

20 posted on 02/09/2004 7:28:43 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out this HILARIOUS story !! haha!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1060580/posts)
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