Bin Laden met nuke scientists -- 'Nuclear bazaar' story out of Pakistan gets more bizarre

Worldnetdaily ^ | 2.8.2004 | Joseph Farah

[He Rides A White Horse]

I dunno how Bush can handle it, but I'm hoping that in his second term he takes care of the Pak problem like he's done with the Irq and Libyan problems.

Pakistan will not willingly give up its' nukes. Not with the situation they have with India.

[SpinyNorman]

Pakistan will not willingly give up its' nukes. Not with the situation they have with India.

The situation Pakistan has with India is entirely self made. The persecute Hindus and Christians, constantly violate the Line of Control, and support terrorists in Indian Kashmir. The Indian nuke was developed in response to the Chinese sponsored nuclear run up in Pakistan.

Maybe if they spent a little more time bringing their country into the civilized world, they would have a lot less to worry about from their neighbors. Seriously, what does Pakistan have that India would want? More muslims?

[He Rides A White Horse]

The situation Pakistan has with India is entirely self made. The persecute Hindus and Christians, constantly violate the Line of Control, and support terrorists in Indian Kashmir. The Indian nuke was developed in response to the Chinese sponsored nuclear run up in Pakistan.

I was merely commenting on the hostility between the two countries. I don't see the Paks giving up theie weapons, regardless of the pressure exerted on them.

Personally, I would watch Pakistan carefully. If radical Islamists suceeded in taking over that country, it would call for drastic action. Such a situation would be intolerable.

I agree, it seems that with Muslim countries, having problems with neighbors is always self made.

[Don Joe]

But it all comes round robin to Clinton, doesn't it? Thanks Bill, for giving away our nuclear secrets to our mortal Red enemy, who is now giving it to our mortal terrorist enemies.

He didn't give them away. He sold them.

[Don Joe]

I'm betting Sept. 11th was supposed to be the opening tap on the shoulder. Lousy China, we should level those bastards.

I believe you're more spot-on than you may realize. I remember mainstream news reports shortly after the attack, that revealed that on 9/10, an Arab kid, in an argument with his teacher, said something along the lines of, "World War Three starts tomorrow, and the United States loses."

Apparently the "word on the Arab Street" in this country was consistent with your "opening tap on the shoulder" theory.

[Don Joe]

We are improving the security for Pack bombs and other necessities to ensure that others don't get control of them.

My understanding of the situation was that Musharrif had managed to break the bombs into two components (each), with the components stored in two distant locations, heavily guarded. Hopefully that's accurate, but if he gets coup'd, all bets are off.

[Don Joe]

Well, we KNOW they haven't got a bomb now, or they would have used it already.

I'm not sure that's true. I have a hunch that they do have a bomb...

I share that worry.

These bastards have demontrated that they can be patient. Look how long they waited between the first WTC attack and the second.

If they've also "purchased" some "surplus" Russian brainpower (not an unreasonable assumption, given the severe economic hell Russia experienced after the fall of communism), they may be getting some strategic advice as well as technical.

[Don Joe]

The Bush administration has been very calm about them -- the point of seeming unconcerned. That can only mean one thing: we know where they are, and we know nobody else can get to them.

I don't agree with the conclusion (that it can only mean one thing). I've observed what seems to me to be a very strong unspoken rule since 9/11. In a nutshell, it boils down to, no matter how dire the circumstance, the overriding goal is to prevent panic at any cost.

I've seen an awful lot to support that theory. And with that in mind, the fact that they're acting to the "point of seeming unconcerned" means nothing -- because that's how they'd act regardless of what was actually going on.

Frankly, about the only thing I'd give any credence to at this point (besides a credible whistle-blower) would be a voice stress analyzer. Which brings me to my next point. A few days ago, Bush was giving an on-camera delivery about something pertaining to this "stuff" (I forget the exact details and I didn't manage to tape it, dang!), but the one thing that stands out in my memory -- and gave me the shivers -- was the tenor of his delivery.

His voice was quivering, shaky, to the point that a voice stress analyzer would have pegged its needle. I'm not talking about his typical bumblefooted delivery. I'm talking about that trademark in-the-throat shakyness that is a giveaway for real fear.

And when it's so bad that he's</> scared -- so scared that he can't put a lid on it with his famous poker face -- then I'm scared, too.

[Don Joe]

It picked up the Iraqi WMD "material" and brought it to Pakistan for safe custody on behalf of Iraq. It is not clear what did they mean by material---only documents or something more?

Is the word "material" ever use to refer to "documents" in that context? It doesn't seem to me to be a very good fit, but then again I have no knowledge of their nomenclature.

[Don Joe]

We're keeping this low-key so as to give Musharref a plausible lie about it being an entirely internal matter, but this was a U.S. operation all the way.

I believe there's a very good chance that the reason we're keeping it low-key is because what's been publicly revealed so far is merely the tip of the iceberg. I suspect the nuclear cat is out of the bag, and it's far, far worse than any of us could possibly imagine.

[Don Joe]

Well, we KNOW they haven't got a bomb now, or they would have used it already

Highly illogical, and pollyanish.

We HOPE they don't have the bomb.

What he said.

All we really have to hang our hope on is the "hope" that they don't have it. That's called "hoping on hope", and it ain't much, as far as "hope" goes.

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for this feedback:

"My understanding of the situation was that Musharrif had managed to break the bombs into two components (each), with the components stored in two distant locations, heavily guarded."

"Hopefully that's accurate, but if he gets coup'd, all bets are off."

Lets pray that he stays alive and continues to come over to the right side.

[swarthyguy]

I think they're hedging and don't want to go out on a limb. The whole thing is being orchestrated from DC and the Indians, IMO, have no desire to irritate Uncle Sam. "Materiel" would include non-documents.

If this tidbit makes the mainstream US press......

Of course, that leads to the question, where in Pakistan?

Are they part of their arsenal, or we don't know where they are. And could they have gone somewhere else from Pakistan......

[Don Joe]

Well let's connect the dots! No, let's don't we 'might' be wrong, but if we don't we might miss a nuke nightmare, but if we are wrong we will upset the press corps and the Socialists of America.

If you want to "connect the dots", here's a thought:

Keep track of when the big-name press-droids (and politicians) decide to "vacation" at their faaaaar out of the way "retreats", i.e, their ranches out in BFE New Mexico, Montana, etc.

If a bunch of them decide to "take a breather" all at once, well... it's pucker-time, IMO.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

This is obviously wrong and misleading since our intelligence gathering capabilities aren't adequate for the task. /sarcasm

[Don Joe]

Lets pray that he stays alive and continues to come over to the right side.

I think that we can trust him for whatever the length is of the leash we've got him on. So the question is, how long is the leash? And the other question is, can any other party cut that leash?

I don't know the answers.

[Grampa Dave]

Keep the leash short and do what Reagan said to do in situations like this. "Trust and Verify"!. He smiled when he said Trust and had his father face on when he said Verify.

[radioman]

Sheeesh. Why does he say these things? We know why the U.S. is letting Musharraf handle this. But he seems to enjoy making thse ridiculous statements anyway

He is trying to keep the lid on until we get Bin Laden and track down the nuclear components sold to others.

Prediction:
Pakistan will fall to the Islamic thugs very soon. This will result in nuclear war between Pakistan and India.

[Don Joe]

I think he said it in Russian, too, so that every Ivan Denisovich on the Square would get his message.

[Kenny Bunk]

.....valuable collection of vintage cars.

Come on, Destro, how bad could this guy be? I have personally traded many a vintage car that was a real bomb.