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To: ventana
The gaps in the fossil record speak far more clearly than does mere stylistic continuity. To me.

What do those gaps tell you? That you still have a chance of finding something -- anything -- that might give evolution a problem? Does that disprove evolution? Why is it so easy for you to sweep aside the mountains of evidence supporting the theory?

[How would you falsify the notion of ID?] That's an easy one (I think). Just prove abiogenesis. Create life in a test tube. Make it reproduce. Would that do it?

No, probably not. Whenever the subject comes up, as it often does, the creationists claim that when we do something in the lab, that only "proves" that an intelligence is involved. There is no conceivable evidence that could disprove ID. If you can come up with something, I'd like to see it.

I agree, however, that producing life in a test tube would demonstrate that a miracle isn't required for the creation of life. But still, the creationists would claim that the lab experiment doesn't disprove divine intervention. (Or ID.)

In any event, once life exists, however it happens, evolution then begins.

77 posted on 02/08/2004 1:32:09 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Theory: a comprehensible, falsifiable, cause-and-effect explanation of verifiable facts.)
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To: PatrickHenry
What do those gaps tell you? That you still have a chance of finding something -- anything -- that might give evolution a problem? Does that disprove evolution? Why is it so easy for you to sweep aside the mountains of evidence supporting the theory?

No sweeping here, although I see the evidence as islands more than mountains. My personal OPINON is that Evolution is a part of Intelligent Design. I don't personally think Evolution could ever effectively argue against Intelligent Design (assuming it would even want to) unless it could fill all those gaps though. Intermediate theories like PE show some movement towards what I consider to be the beginnings of a healthy objectivity, if only because it shows someone is willing to stand up and say "you know what? We really can't say what happened" (even if they cave a moment later and spin out a "probable" explanation). A little humility can go along way, in my view.

I think it is analogous to where cosmologists are today. They have abandoned the attempt to restrict their models to the 4 perceivable dimensions to describe the fundamental universe of matter and energy. Perhaps someday even evolutionists will move past the mechanical chauvinism of the ancient world in their attempts to describe the transcendental universe of life and intelligence.

81 posted on 02/08/2004 3:57:40 PM PST by ventana
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To: PatrickHenry; bondserv; ventana; old-ager

In any event, once life exists, however it happens, evolution then begins.

 

Does it continue at the same RATE as in the past?

It seems to me, that whatever drives evolution, it would still be going on today.

If this is so, then there should be all kinds of tumors or growths on MANY creatures, that appear to have no function: yet, as all the needed changes aren't in place yet.  [This would corespond to the SLOW change rate side of the E theory: on our way to building an eye, for example]

Are these types of things found??

On the FAST rate of change side of the E theory, we should be finding (at least occasionally) creatures with completely foreign (to their genus) parts that have never been seen before. (Conjoined and extra head parts in humans do NOT fit this category: Do they??)  Do we find creatures like this??  [What good are those extra eyes that spiders have?

 

 


 


88 posted on 02/09/2004 5:09:18 AM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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