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Surveillance and Wiretapping Under the Patriot II Act
America for Sale ^ | January 27, 2004 | America for Sale

Posted on 02/07/2004 9:47:44 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Surveillance and Wiretapping Under the Patriot II Act

Some conservative groups are finding common ground with organizations such as the American Civil Liberties Union and the Bill of Rights Defense Committee, expressing concerns about the effect that the USA Patriot Act and the follow-up law, the Domestic Security Enhancement Act (a.k.a. “Patriot II”), could have on civil liberties.

Liberal critics have directed much of their worry at what they saw as an attack on immigrants' rights in the Patriot Act, the massive measure that was passed as the country was reeling from the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

Now, right-leaning groups such as the American Conservative Union, the Eagle Forum and Gun Owners of America say they are concerned that American citizens could also be victimized by what they say are unconstitutional law enforcement powers allowed by the Patriot and the enhancement act. The heart of the issue, according to conservatives, liberals and constitutional scholars, is the effect that USA Patriot has already had on issues of probable cause and due process, and that both of those concepts would be further eroded with the so-called Patriot II Act.

link: Conservative Backlash: Provisions of ‘Patriot II’ Draft Worry Those on Right [abc] - 03/12/03

According to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), among its most severe problems, the “Patriot II” bill:

link: Section-by-Section Analysis of Justice Department draft “Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003,” also known as “PATRIOT Act II” [aclu] - 01/14/03

On January 26th, 2004, a federal judge declared unconstitutional a section of the USA Patriot Act that bars giving expert advice or assistance to groups designated foreign terrorist organizations.

David Cole, a Georgetown University law professor who argued the case on behalf of the Humanitarian Law Project, declared the ruling "a victory for everyone who believes the war on terrorism ought to be fought consistent with constitutional principles."

"It Is the first federal court decision declaring any part of the Patriot Act unconstitutional," he said. The case before the court involved five groups and two U.S. citizens seeking to provide support for lawful, nonviolent activities on behalf of Kurdish refugees in Turkey. The Humanitarian Law Project said the plaintiffs were threatened with 15 years in prison if they advised groups on seeking a peaceful resolution of the Kurds' campaign for self-determination in Turkey.

The judge's ruling said the law, as written, does not differentiate between impermissible advice on violence and encouraging the use of peaceful, nonviolent means to achieve goals.

link: Part of Patriot Act Ruled Unconstitutional [ap] - 01/26/04

Lost amid the tumult surrounding Saddam Hussein’s December 14 capture was enactment of a measure radically extending federal counter-terrorism powers. Most of the details of H.R. 2417, the Intelligence Authorization Act for fiscal year 2004 "are secret, including the total cost of the programs, which are estimated to be about $40 billion," noted an AP story. That amount is "slightly more than Bush had requested." The measure’s publicized portions include new FBI powers "to demand financial records from casinos, car dealerships, and other businesses," as well as several pilot programs permitting data exchanges between agencies.

Representative Ron Paul (R-Texas) opposed the measure, insisting that it "should outrage every single American citizen." "It appears we are witnessing a stealth enactment of the enormously unpopular ‘PATRIOT II’ legislation that was first leaked several months ago," stated Rep. Paul in a November 20 speech on the House floor. "These expanded police powers will enable the FBI to demand transaction records from businesses … without the approval or knowledge of a judge or grand jury. This was written into the bill at the 11th hour over the objections of members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which would normally have jurisdiction over the FBI."

"I also have concerns about the rest of the bill," continued Rep. Paul. "One of the few things we do know about this final version is that we are authorizing even more than the president has requested for the intelligence community.... Despite the tens of billions we spend on these myriad intelligence agencies, it is impossible to ignore the failure of our federal intelligence community to detect and prevent the September 11 attacks."

link: Stealth Implementation of "PATRIOT ACT II" [New American] - 01/12/04

link: Bush Grabs New Power for FBI [WIRED] - 01/06/04


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arrogance; habeascorpus; liberty; patriotact; patriotii; patriotiiact; powergrab; privacy; surveillance; terrorism
THIS is stunning, and not in a good way. This act should be resisted with every fiber of one's being!
1 posted on 02/07/2004 9:47:46 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Abundy; AGreatPer; alisasny; AnnaSASsyFR; Angelwood; aristeides; basil; bayliving; bmwcyle; ...
Police State BUMP!
2 posted on 02/07/2004 9:49:15 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks ("You play a good game boy, but the game is finished, now you die." --The Tall Man)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Paging Jackboots. Jackboots to the brown courtesy phone....

3 posted on 02/07/2004 9:54:11 AM PST by agitator (The 9th Amendment says what?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Can you imagine Hillary with this kind of power? You see the havoc her 800+ FBI files wreaked.

4 posted on 02/07/2004 9:54:39 AM PST by Joe Bfstplk
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
self bump for later reading
5 posted on 02/07/2004 10:02:28 AM PST by countrydummy (http://chat.agitator.dynip.com/ You will love the chat room!)
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To: agitator
Guess I don't have to ping you....
6 posted on 02/07/2004 10:06:10 AM PST by diotima
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
NAZI BTTT/ Hydrant Marking for later read
7 posted on 02/07/2004 10:11:13 AM PST by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game! (Is it time yet? Is it? CLOSE VERY CLOSE!))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Holy crap! How do we get rid of this?
8 posted on 02/07/2004 10:52:26 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
try and sniff my traffic suckers

not that anybody would need to too :o)
9 posted on 02/07/2004 11:26:00 AM PST by ezo4
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Remember when this was first posted on this forum?? There were a lot of people who didn't believe what this was..time to stand up for our rights because apparently someone doesn't like what we have.
10 posted on 02/07/2004 1:03:04 PM PST by Bella
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
bump for later reading
11 posted on 02/07/2004 9:37:39 PM PST by Txslady
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
When are we going to acknowledge this is happening under a REPUBLICAN administration with a REPUBLICAN Senate and House.

Is this what we fought for?

When do we say enough is enough?

12 posted on 02/08/2004 11:39:40 AM PST by Gore_ War_ Vet ("The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted." -- James Madison)
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To: Gore_ War_ Vet
When do we say enough is enough?

I plan on doing just that on November 2 by voting third party (Constitution or Libertarian).

13 posted on 02/09/2004 9:11:55 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks ("You play a good game boy, but the game is finished, now you die." --The Tall Man)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Holy crap! How do we get rid of this?

If you hear of the PATRIOT-in-Name-Only-II act being mulled in Congress, write you congresscritters and Jorge Arbusto, I guess...

14 posted on 02/09/2004 9:13:17 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks ("You play a good game boy, but the game is finished, now you die." --The Tall Man)
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If you hear of the PATRIOT-in-Name-Only-II act being mulled in Congress, write you congresscritters and Jorge Arbusto, I guess...

Ugh, my congresscritters :-(

15 posted on 02/10/2004 9:16:45 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I plan on doing just that on November 2 by voting third party (Constitution or Libertarian).

If w's supporters such as you and I have come to this conclusion, I think the Nov. doings may not be the cake walk they're predicting. One can hope.

16 posted on 02/10/2004 4:46:16 PM PST by Gore_ War_ Vet ("The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted." -- James Madison)
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To: bang_list; All
Bump!
17 posted on 02/15/2004 10:39:18 AM PST by MagnusMaximus1
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