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CENTCOM up-armored Humvee requirements being met
ARNEWS Army News Service ^ | Feb. 6, 2004 | Joe Burlas

Posted on 02/06/2004 3:48:29 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4

WASHINGTON (Army News Service, Feb. 6, 2004) -- Despite the misconception of some members of Congress and the media who have raised the issue in recent weeks, the Army is meeting Central Command’s requirements for up-armored Humvees for operations in Iraq and doing it in a timely manner, according to Maj. Gen. N. Ross Thompson III, commanding general for the Army’s Tank-automotive and Armaments Command.

Part of the misconception is not understanding who is responsible for identifying what resources are needed for an operation, and part, not understanding the nature of the operation has changed significantly since the buildup to war a year ago, Thompson said.

“It is up to the combatant commander to determine what the requirements are -- in this case, CENTCOM,” Thompson said. “You also have to understand that the nature of the threat has changed from a year ago when we were building up for the war in Iraq, facing primarily a conventional enemy, to current operations where Soldiers are fighting a different type of enemy -- insurgents who use RPGs (rocket propelled grenades) and IEDs (improvised explosive devices) as their weapon of choice.

“We met CENTCOM’s requirement for up-armored Humvees a year ago and we are meeting new requirements ahead of schedule.”

There are two versions of up-armored Humvees: a production model and one made by installing a recently developed Armor Survivability Kit.

Early experiences with mines in Bosnia identified the need for the Army to have some Humvees with better protection in the lead of convoys and for patrol vehicles, said Sgt. 1st Class Joseph Schoenbeck, up-armored Humvee combat developer at the Military Police School, Fort Leonard Wood, Mo.

Weighing about 2,000 pounds more than a standard Humvee, the first up-armored version came off the production line in 1996. In addition to steel plating and ballistic-resistant windows around the cab of the vehicle that offer better protection against small arms fire and shrapnel, it has steel plating underneath that offers protection against up to eight pounds of explosive beneath the engine to four pounds in the cargo area.

“I have never rolled over a mine while in Bosnia, but some of my Soldiers did,” Schoenbeck. “It was amazing to see those Soldiers come out of those experiences without any serious injuries because they were in an up-armored Humvee.”

Following reports of almost daily RPG and IED attacks on Army vehicles in Iraq, engineers from the Research Development and Engineering Command began developing a modification kit last summer to provide better protection for standard production Humvees operating in Iraq. With design help from the Army Research Laboratory and testing from Maryland’s Aberdeen Proving Ground Test Center in October, the Armor Survivability Kit was born.

The kit includes armored doors with ballistic-resistant windows and seatback protectors. It adds about 1,000 pounds to a standard Humvee, Schoenbeck said, giving better protection against the RPG and IED threat in Iraq. There are two ASK versions, one supporting a two-door Humvee and the other, a four-door Humvee.

ASK is not intended to replace the original production model of the up-armored Humvee, but it is a means to provide greater survivability to Soldiers using a standard Humvee, officials said.

Six Army depots are producing ASK. They have shipped more than 1,000, since November as of Feb. 5, against CENTCOM’s requirement of 5,000 kits.

Shipments are about two weeks ahead of the delivery schedule agreed upon with CENTCOM, Thompson said, and we expect that trend to get even better.

Production of the original version up-armored Humvee is also being ramped up to meet CENTCOM requirements and industry is responding to those needs, Thompson said.

The TACOM, ARL and TARDEC partnership is now directing its research efforts toward producing similar force protection kits for medium and heavy utility vehicles.

(Editor’s note: An article by Paul D. Mehney, RDECOM-TARDEC, contributed to this article.)

Up-armored Humvees offer protection against most small arms fire, shrapnel and anti-personnel mines. This up-armored Humvee was displayed in the Pentagon center courtyard Feb. 4 & 5.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: armor; hmmwv; humvee; m1114; uparmoredhumvee; wheeledarmor
See also Armor shell games & body bags
1 posted on 02/06/2004 3:48:30 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; joesnuffy; Ernest_at_the_Beach; centurion316; PsyOp; xzins
ping
2 posted on 02/06/2004 3:51:10 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (The road to Glory cannot be followed with too much baggage.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; Squantos
I really don't care what "Centcom's requirements" for uparmored Humvees are. I only care about the ground pounder's requirements for up armored Humvees.
3 posted on 02/06/2004 3:59:13 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (When in doubt, charlie out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Our troops deserve nothing less than the best.

Which is also a further reason why we must not allow a dem anywhere within 1000 yards of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
4 posted on 02/06/2004 4:07:59 PM PST by Howie66 ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people.")
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To: Howie66
You got that one right.

W04!!
5 posted on 02/06/2004 4:11:28 PM PST by StarCMC (God protect the 969th in Iraq and their Captain, my brother...God protect them all!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; B4Ranch; JackelopeBreeder; Marine Inspector
Good post - BUMPING FOR III CORP, 1ST CAV, AND 39TH ID!
6 posted on 02/06/2004 4:16:11 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: Happy2BMe
An up-armored Humvees for operations would not have come out within the cost limits during the exams. It would have weighed too much and been way too damn expensive!
7 posted on 02/06/2004 4:57:08 PM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; Ranger; Grampa Dave; Dog
Thanks for the update!
8 posted on 02/06/2004 5:10:28 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
The TACOM, ARL and TARDEC partnership is now directing its research efforts toward producing similar force protection kits for medium and heavy utility vehicles.

They have much more to do!

9 posted on 02/06/2004 5:13:25 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; Neets
"the Army is meeting Central Command’s requirements for up-armored Humvees for operations in Iraq and doing it in a timely manner, according to Maj. Gen. N. Ross Thompson III, commanding general for the Army’s Tank-automotive and Armaments Command."

Of course it is. You wouldn't expect TACOM to admit otherwise would you?

10 posted on 02/06/2004 5:31:37 PM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy!)
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To: big ern
Zactly.........
11 posted on 02/06/2004 5:32:23 PM PST by Squantos (Salmon...the other pink meat !)
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To: Squantos
Godspeed!
12 posted on 02/06/2004 8:10:16 PM PST by CPT Clay (57 in '04)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
5,000 (requirement), minus 1,000 (supplied ahead of schedule), equals 4,000 vulnerable vehicle drivers. One of whome is dear to me and driving a HUMVEE that should have been DX'd before leaving Hood because of a worn-out transmission (can't get out of its own way and has the acceleration of a used Yugo), not to mention the lack of an armor kit.

13 posted on 02/07/2004 8:54:55 AM PST by PsyOp ([Insert string of four-letter profanities here].)
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To: Howie66
Odd way of looking at it . . . It isn't a democrat causing the problem, is it?

I'm distressed and repulsed by the fact that our administration has done so little to support and protect the man in the field. Not to mention the 'Mission Accomplished' pay cut, the reverse draft, and the largest reserve call-up in history.

And then that high school stuff about, ". . . bring it on?"

OK, OK, point is, were we ready for this? Was our administration capable of 'administering' the situation they encountered? I'd have no gripe if they'd carried the liberation off skillfully, but this just ain't it.

Did you know that the majority of the 'insurgents' were not Iraqui? Jihadists from other Islamic states make up the majority of the 'rebels'.

I wonder what aggravated them so much?
14 posted on 07/03/2004 12:40:14 PM PDT by Richar44d
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