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Bellesiles Misfires
The Wall Street Journal ^
| February 6, 2004
| KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL
Posted on 02/06/2004 8:41:30 AM PST by neverdem
Edited on 04/23/2004 12:06:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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posted on
02/06/2004 8:41:33 AM PST
by
neverdem
To: neverdem; bang_list
The vision that society is unalterable is not just incorrect, it is dangerously undemocratic, and as such should be of concern to every modern historian."He thinks historical fact should be mangled to suit the whims of DEMOCRACY??!! What an idiot. We sure wouldn't want history getting in the way of some individual's concept of "democracy'. God forbid, the facts might actually help shape someone's views into a non-approved mold! </forehead slap>
To: neverdem
Reading some Colonial diaries. Sharpshooting was in and they enjoyed the food the women provided. "Family Outing"?
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posted on
02/06/2004 8:50:00 AM PST
by
Sacajaweau
(God Bless Our Troops!!)
To: neverdem
Just another leftie who was shown to be a fraud. A few years ago Rigoberta Menchu was shown to have made her "autobiography" up out of whole cloth. Her book is still read in classes taught by lefty profs-Bellisiles will be too.
The truth never gets in the way of the Left's agenda.
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posted on
02/06/2004 8:55:37 AM PST
by
91B
(NCNG-C/Co 161st ASMB-deployed to theater since April 19th)
To: neverdem
Among Bellesiles's "bloopers" was claiming to have reviewed probate records in San Francisco from before the earthquake and fire of 1906. That's a bit of a mistake, as those records did not survive that disaster.
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posted on
02/06/2004 8:56:23 AM PST
by
VadeRetro
To: neverdem
Soft Skull Press? LOL! How appropriate for this mushy-headed fellow!
To: neverdem
The Liberals had so much riding on this book, that you can be ASSURED that if he had really lost his research notes in a flood, by now, someone would have repeated his research and published his same results. Other than a few meager attempts to defend his data, I have seen little else other than whining..
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posted on
02/06/2004 8:59:14 AM PST
by
Paradox
(Cogito ergo Doom.)
To: *bang_list
BANG
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posted on
02/06/2004 9:00:53 AM PST
by
heckler
(wiskey for my men, beer for my horses)
To: 91B
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posted on
02/06/2004 9:02:11 AM PST
by
Khurkris
(Ranger On...)
To: neverdem
Alas, Mr. Bellesiles reputation is intact with some. Join Together online, a antigun site of Boston University School of Public Health, www.jointogether.org, lists both Mr. Bellesiles' books "Arming America" and "Weighed in an Even Balance" as resources. "Higher" education at work.
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posted on
02/06/2004 9:02:54 AM PST
by
superdad
To: Khurkris
Thanks-guess I'm going to have to change my screen name after we finish transitioning to 91W :-)
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posted on
02/06/2004 9:05:02 AM PST
by
91B
(NCNG-C/Co 161st ASMB-deployed to theater since April 19th)
To: superdad
"Alas, Mr. Bellesiles reputation is intact with some. Join Together online, a antigun site of Boston University School of Public Health, www.jointogether.org, lists both Mr. Bellesiles' books "Arming America" and "Weighed in an Even Balance" as resources. "Higher" education at work."
You smoke the same stuff they do at BU, and it IS higher education!
To: superdad
"Alas, Mr. Bellesiles reputation is intact with some. Join Together online, a antigun site of Boston University School of Public Health, www.jointogether.org, lists both Mr. Bellesiles' books "Arming America" and "Weighed in an Even Balance" as resources. "Higher" education at work."
You smoke the same stuff they do at BU, and it IS higher education!
To: neverdem
Liberal History = So what if it didn't happen - It should have happened - Therefore, it happened.
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posted on
02/06/2004 9:18:07 AM PST
by
N. Theknow
(John Kerry is nothing more than Ted Kennedy without a dead girl in the car.)
To: neverdem
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posted on
02/06/2004 9:22:03 AM PST
by
RKV
(He who has the guns makes the rules.)
To: neverdem
While we're at it, the Galileo case has been hugely twisted for liberal, anti-Catholic purposes. The Church had no objection to his publishing his findings as long as he presented them as theories. He finally got into trouble because he published them as a proven fact--that the earth's spinning and revolving around the sun was a fact. He thought he had proven his case with a discussion of the tides. In point of fact, his tidal argument was wrong. It was a couple of hundred years before a scientist actually proved for certain that the earth revolves around the sun.
Galileo wasn't treated that badly, either. He wasn't burned at the stake. In a time when thousands of accused witches were being burned in the Protestant north, he was put under house arrest in a very comfortable residence, and allowed to continue his work.
As it turned out, the Church was wrong about the solar system, but it did not "persecute" Galileo in any meaningful sense. Mostly, the whole affair was an academic argument between Galileo and his more stodgy astronomical colleagues.
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posted on
02/06/2004 9:22:44 AM PST
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: *bang_list
Bang!
To: Cicero
Someone puts me under house arrest and I'll consider it meaningful persecution. True that others got much worse as you say, but that doesn't really change the issue. Separation of church and state is a GOOD thing.
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posted on
02/06/2004 10:26:23 AM PST
by
RKV
(He who has the guns makes the rules.)
To: RKV; Cicero
Separation of church and state is a GOOD thing.
Except for the fact that Galileo was working for the church at the time (to use a modern concept to describe an ancient arrangement).
Would it be wrong for a modern employer to use legal means to restrict a researcher from publicly mischaracterizing the results of research done on company time?
To: RKV; Cicero
"Someone puts me under house arrest and I'll consider it meaningful persecution."I wish somebody would put ME under house arrest. I could use the rest.
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posted on
02/06/2004 10:32:32 AM PST
by
BlueLancer
(Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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