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To: marktwain
There have been more than one instance where two children were approached and threatened with a gun. One ran, the other complied with the threat. Only the runner survived.

This would be of relevance if the child that survived had gone to Mr. Stuber's escape training, and the other had parents like my wife and I, who do not teach stranger danger. Was it the case?

21 posted on 02/05/2004 8:13:14 PM PST by Steve Eisenberg
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To: Steve Eisenberg
You are 100% wrong. Teach children and adults to NEVER let anyone take them away, to what police call a "Secondary Crime Scene", where they will almost certainly be absued and/or killed.

Everyone should read this:

SecondaryCrimeScene

Years ago, my girlfriend was confronted by 4-5 men in a subway connecting tunnel, and had the sense to resist their attempts to get her to go to a deserted area. Thank God she did, 'cause all she lost was her purse.

You advice and attitude are truly ill-informed and unsettling.

22 posted on 02/05/2004 8:23:04 PM PST by BushMeister
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To: Steve Eisenberg
This article assumes that a child will be able to overcome her initial shock and then react. In my personal experience, I found that I was "frozen" in the initial moments of an attack.

I'm female, in my 20's at the time, coming home from work at midnite in my car, and three threatening young men stopped their car in front of me, forcing me to slam on my breaks. They jumped out of their car and ran back to my car (it was dark on a suburban road). They started screaming and banging on my windows and kicking at the side of my car, shouting, open up!

I thought the window on my driver's side was going to cave in (they caused significant damage to my car.) At this point in time, I seemed to freeze. Everything seemed to me to be happening in slow motion. I was frozen in the seat of my car. I wanted to scream, I was trying to make myself scream, but nothing would come out.

After some seconds, I remembered my umbrella with the four inch point that lay under my seat. I remember thinking, if the window goes, then I can jab that point in one of the attackers' faces. So I reached slowly, deliberately under my seat.

I assume that they thought I was reaching for a gun, and they ran off. They hit their car in reverse and stopped just short of my bumper, then drove off. If I hadn't still been in a sort of frozen state, I would have put my car in reverse and sped backwards. But I found that I couldn't think entirely clearly.

I've shared this story on message boards before. (Gun owners love it, I'm sure!) Maybe it will help someone realize how to mentally prepare for stress during an attack situation.

24 posted on 02/05/2004 8:38:19 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Steve Eisenberg
I do know I would not want your handle
26 posted on 02/05/2004 8:41:57 PM PST by JustPiper (D A M N I T O L Take 2 and the rest of the world can go to hell for up to 8 full hours)
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To: Steve Eisenberg
"had parents like my wife and I, who do not teach stranger danger."

Sir, if you are not teaching your children about "stranger danger" then you are guilty of child abuse. All children should be taught to be wary of strangers!!!!!

56 posted on 02/06/2004 7:57:38 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama
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