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Wind power puffery
The Washington Times ^ | Feb 4, 2004 | H. Sterling Burnett

Posted on 02/04/2004 8:25:18 PM PST by neverdem

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:13:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Whenever there is a discussion of energy policy, many environmentalists and their political allies tout wind power as an alternative to burning fossil fuels. Even if electricity from wind power is more expensive than conventional fuel sources, and it is, wind advocates argue its environmental benefits are worth it. In particular, proponents claim increased reliance on wind power would reduce air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions.


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To: neverdem
When oil and natural gas become more expensive than windpower and solar, then windpower and solar will become widespread. It's just a matter of time.
41 posted on 02/05/2004 9:18:55 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: neverdem; newgeezer
These problems are exacerbated explains one study as "Wind farms have been documented to act as both bait and executioner — rodents taking shelter at the base of turbines multiply with the protection from raptors, while in turn their greater numbers attract more raptors to the farm."

Growing pains easily engineered out in most situations. How many animals are killed by coal stacks and coal trains and pipeline building and pipe line accidents and the whole brown energy infrastructure?

The shrill peta-esqe tener of the brown energy folks sure sounds strange. It almost seems like they simply don't want any competition. Just don't go asking people what kind of power they want and are even willing to pay a little more for.

42 posted on 02/05/2004 9:19:13 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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To: randog
As a matter of fact, if you produce enough quality electricity, that it reverses your meter, the power company must write YOU a check!
43 posted on 02/05/2004 9:22:46 AM PST by Guillermo (It's tough being a Miami Dolphins fan)
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To: laredo44

General Electric has gotten into it in a big way and they don't tend to back losers ... the liberals love that story about a butterfly beating its wings in Central Park and causing a typhoon in Tokyo, so imagine the handwringing they'll be able to get out of this.

If General Electric can somehow make money off of this without government subsidies, expect liberals to drop their support like Clinton's boxers on a Saturday night.

44 posted on 02/05/2004 9:26:11 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans
Burning fossil fuel is a good thing. It restores precious carbon into the ecosystem and will help to ward off the coming ice age.

I agree that is isn't really that horrible a thing. I always think of Jesus at the end of John cooking fish on the beach. He's burning a fossil fuel and I don't think He is concerned with global warming or polution, or even second hand smoke, at all. I'm not a fanatic tree hugger and neither are most of the many people investing in and developing wind power. It's just a cool, renewable, energy option whose price is coming down every month and whose time is now here.

45 posted on 02/05/2004 9:26:40 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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To: neverdem
Good post. Nukes are the answer.
46 posted on 02/05/2004 9:28:11 AM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)
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To: CollegeRepublican
That combination is good for powering a sheep-tank pump.

Small scale operations needn't scale up well. Wind and solar have a very low power to land density.
47 posted on 02/05/2004 9:29:34 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: neverdem
Everybody should read Hard Green by Peter Huber. This is an excellent book which reveals the wrongheadedness of soft green energy policies.

Huber argues that it is preferable to derive our energy from deep within the earth i.e. oil, gas, nuclear than to derive it from the surface i.e. coal, wind, solar. It takes a hard green mentality and three dimensional thinking. Read this book.
48 posted on 02/05/2004 9:44:47 AM PST by jayef
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To: biblewonk

Typically the percentage of approval of windpower plants goes up after one is installed in an area.

I think it's kind of funny how Ted Kennedy is opposed to the proposed wind farm in his back yard. If the public won't support wind farms in liberal Massachusetts, they won't support it anywhere.

49 posted on 02/05/2004 9:52:53 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: randog; newgeezer
Another thing about wind turbines is that you can't plug them directly into the power grid. The power they produce has to be stored in batteries and converted into AC through an inverter first. Lead-acid batteries--now those are environmentally-friendly devices

LOL. You really don't have a clue do you?

50 posted on 02/05/2004 9:54:42 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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To: upcountryhorseman

These turbines require extensive maintenance and repair. To effect major repairs one must remove the turbines from their towers. If you think that's easy or inexpensive, it isn't!

IIRC only about 25% of the typical utility bill covers the cost of fuel. Mostly it is for maintenance on power lines and generating equipment and, of course, taxes. Maintenance of windmills, as you point out, will be much more labor intensive because they are so widely dispersed.

51 posted on 02/05/2004 10:01:45 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: biblewonk

It's just a cool, renewable, energy option whose price is coming down every month and whose time is now here.

If so, it shouldn't need any subsidies from the taxpayers.

52 posted on 02/05/2004 10:07:26 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Carry_Okie
Nukes are where it's at, which is why of course the petrochemical industry went to such lengths to kill it on environmental grounds.

I worked in the petrochemical industry for over 20 years, and I've never heard such a thing. (I'm not saying it isn't true -- just that I've never heard it). Perhaps you meant oil or energy companies instead? It would seem to me that, given the high price of petrochemical feedstocks these days (natural gas, naphtha, etc), if a few new nuke energy plants were to come on line and free up those tight feedstock supplies for the petrochemical industry, that the feedstock prices would come down a bit, and that would be good for the petrochemical producers. I don't understand what the advantage would be for petrochemical producers to fight nuclear power, given that they need cheap feedstocks and they are also need to purchase large amounts of power from the most economical source.

53 posted on 02/05/2004 10:11:36 AM PST by RedWhiteBlue (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: biblewonk

Each year the price of wind produced power goes down, and each year we use more of our unrenewable fossil fuels causing their price to go up.

Funny thing about fossil fuels is that they are getting slightly cheaper. In the last 25 years the price of home heating fuel has dropped slightly, the price of a barrel of crude oil has dropped about half since the 1981 peak.

54 posted on 02/05/2004 10:19:11 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans
Funny thing about fossil fuels is that they are getting slightly cheaper.

With all due respect, if I fill my tank today, it will cost me $161.9 per gallon. That's cheaper than in years past?

55 posted on 02/05/2004 10:25:21 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: Tribune7
"Nukes are the answer."

Not while the rats still have so much political power. They believe they can have their cake and eat it too. Even if there was a satisfactory method of waste disposal, new nuclear facilities would be decried as new targets for terrorists.

I live in the Bronx about 30 miles away south of the Indian Point nuclear power plant near Peekskill, NY. There was a lot of agitation to deactivate the plant not long after Sep 11, 2001. Last summer's blackout showed we need new power generation and transmission infrastructure, but all the idiots still say "not in my backyard" and fret about yet to be proved risks of cancer from high voltage transmission lines.
56 posted on 02/05/2004 10:38:36 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: biblewonk
Growing pains easily engineered out in most situations.

Bah. The automobile will never be suited for cross-country travel! They're just too uncomfortable and unreliable. Trains will always be the only way to travel.

57 posted on 02/05/2004 10:40:03 AM PST by newgeezer (A conservative who conserves -- a true capitalist!)
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To: Dan Evans; newgeezer
If so, it shouldn't need any subsidies from the taxpayers.

Perhaps you believe the other forms of energy are not subsidized. Have you ever heard of the energy bill. The PTC is a token in that 35 billion dollar bill. Have you ever heard of the Black lung fund? Why do nukes not have to carry disaster insurance yet a 2 bit home made windmill must carry a million dollar policy?

58 posted on 02/05/2004 10:41:49 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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To: RedWhiteBlue
Perhaps you meant oil or energy companies instead?

Sorry I wasn't specific, not the companies themselves but the owners of the tax-exempt foundations originating from oil wealth: Rockefeller, Pew, British and Dutch Royills, W. Alton Jones... believe it or not even the Hewletts and Packards are getting into the act.

59 posted on 02/05/2004 10:42:51 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: Dan Evans
Funny thing about fossil fuels is that they are getting slightly cheaper. In the last 25 years the price of home heating fuel has dropped slightly, the price of a barrel of crude oil has dropped about half since the 1981 peak.

Yup there's a lot of oil and we are pretty clever about finding better ways of doing things. Wait till China really gets it's oil appetite going.

60 posted on 02/05/2004 10:44:00 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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