STATEMENT BY PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH ON THE MA SUPREME COURT RULING APPROVING GAY MARRIAGE

The White House ^ | February 4, 2004 | President George W. Bush

[PhiKapMom]

Thanks for that explanation.

I am getting really sick and tired of some of these conservatives and their stands. If they join with the liberals on this issue, even if it is a State's Rights Issue, then I consider them no better than the liberals. If they cannot see the far reaching affects of this ruling, then they cannot see the forest for the trees.

Any conservative that joins with the liberals on this issue needs to be voted out of office in the next primary.

[little jeremiah]

Get real? Gosh, why the heavy vibes? The statements above are not from some far-out extreme homosexuals, they are spokespeople who write for the NYT and other "mainstream" outlets. Andrew Sullivan? He's way mainstream.

And, for your edification, here's a summary of the goals of the "gay" movement from "After the Ball", by two noted homosexual spokesmen; not extremists. You will note that many of these goals have been accomplished. Sorry it's so long, but the truth needs to be told, and understood.



Written By: Lois Lament
Although homosexual propaganda has been around for 50 years, the current campaign started in 1989 with a very popular book within the homosexual community called: “After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 1990s” by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen. This very popular book within the homosexual community makes a passionate argument that homosexual activists should implement an organized propaganda campaign to change public opinion to gain public acceptance to their behavior and obtain special rights, benefits, and privileges. Their rationalization for launching such a campaign is that people who do not agree with them are “bigots, haters, or ignorants”, and therefore activists can and should justifiably employ any tactic possible, including mass deceit, lying, slander, maliciousness, intimidation, violence, etc. Although many activists initially condemned this approach at first in public, remaining hold outs have jumped on board after benefitting from the success of the propaganda campaign. The following are exerpts taken from “After The Ball.” These strategies, tactics, and techniques have been and are currently employed by most homosexual activist groups, as verified by their well documented trail.

1) The homosexual agenda can succeed by conversion of the average Americans emotions, mind, and will, through, a planned psychological attack in the form of propaganda to the nation via media (page 153);

2) “Propaganda relies more upon emotional manipulation that upon logic, since its goal is to bring about public change” (page 162);

3) Propaganda can be unabashedly subjective and one-sided, there is nothing wrong with this (page 163);

4) Homosexual agenda can succeed by “desensitization” achieved by lowering the intensity of antigay emotional reactions to a level of sheer indifference (page 153);

5) Homosexual agenda can succeed by “jamming” and “confusing” adversaries, so as to block or counteract the “rewarding of prejudice” (page 153);

6) “Heterosexuals dislike homosexuals on fundamentally emotional, not intellectual grounds” (page 166)

7) “Desensitizing” is “our recipe” for converting “ambivalent skeptics”;

8) Make victimizers look bad by linking to Nazi horror while helping straights to see gays as victims and feel protective towards them (page 221);

9) The Nazi story of “pink triangle as a symbol of victimization” should be a sufficient opening wedge into the vilification of our enemies (page 190);

10) Show grisly victimization of gays and demand that readers identify themselves with either social tolerance or gruesome cruelty;

11) Discourage anti-gay harassment by linking and calling all those that have opposing opinions to latent homosexuality (i.e., call people homophobic) (page 227)

12) Jam people by pointing out that it’s inconsistent with the reader’s belief in the value of love between individuals (page 233);

13) AIDS epidemic should be exploited “to increase attention and sympathy” as “victimized minority.”(page xxv)

14) “We argue that for all practical purposes, gays should be considered to have been born gay, even though sexual orientation, for most humans, seems to be the product of a complex interaction between innate predispositions and environmental factors during childhood and early adolescence” (page 184);

15) “Muddy the moral waters”, that is, to undercut the rationalization that justify religious opposition… this entails publicizing support by moderate churches and raising serious theological objections” (page 179);

16) Portray opposing churches “as antiquated backwaters”, badly out of step with the time and with the latest findings of psychology (page 179);

17) Jam the self-righteous pride by linking to a disreputable hate group (page 235);

18) The main thing is to talk about gayness until the issue becomes thoroughly tiresome (page 178);

19) All opposing disagreements to homosexual behavior is rooted in “Homophobia, Homohatred, and Prejudice” (page 112)

20) It is acceptible to call people “Homophobic” or “Homohaters” if they do not agree 100% with homosexual views, opinions, or behavior. (page xxiii)

21) A media campaign should portray only the most favorable side of gays (page 170);

22) Show others accepting gays and homosexuals (page 241);

23) Heterosexuals are like Aryans and people who are against homosexual behavior are “Nazis” and “Clansman”.

24) Homosexual persecution is identical to Jewish persecution (page 57, 62, );

25) Homosexual persecution is identical racial prejudice to Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics (inferring inborn) (page 62, 73);

26) All scientific/medical arguments to prevent 1973 APA/AMA removal from disorder list were rooted in cultural prejudice, medieval knowledge of science/medicine, and misinformation.

27) “Two-thirds of all boys” have rudimentary homosexual experiences (inferring most teenagers want to have homosexual sex) (page 44)

28) “Vast majority” of homosexuals do not engage in compulsive high-risk sex (page 49)

29) American opposition is based solely on prejudiced, outdated, and hypocritical Victorian morals (page 51)

30) All homosexually suicides are based entirely on societal rejection (page xv)

31) All sexual morality should be abolished (pages 64 to 67);

32) Homosexual civil rights are “explicitly set forth in the Bill of Rights”;

33) Health concerns for AIDS prevention are unwarranted (page 91)
34) Opposition to homosexual marriages is based on “family nostalgia” and “sexual guilt” based on religious/Victorian values (page 92)

35) Adoption agencies have been “placing kids with gay people for a long time,” as long as “you do not bring up” the fact that your gay;

36) “Kids in gay households ultimately receive better-than-average parenting” (page 97)

37) All speech that is opposing homosexual behavior should be banned under “clear and present danger to public order” (page 101)

38) All and any news or media coverage that is presents homosexual in negative form is prejudiced and invalid (page 54);

39) Everyone comes out must be prepped by a media campaign carefully crafted, repeatedly displayed mass-media images of gays (page 169);

40) “Gay activists have tried to manipulate the American judicial system.” Sometimes the tactic works: many executive orders (which side step the democratic process) and ordinances passed by city councils now protect certain rights (page 171);

41) “Employ images that desensitize, jam, and/or
convert on an emotional level” (page 173);

42) “ain acGcess to the kinds of public media that would automatically confer legitimacy upon these messages and sponsors” (page 173);

43) “Ambivalent skeptics” are our most promising targets (page 176)…

44) Associate gay cause with “talk about racism, sexism, militarism, poverty, and all the conditions that oppress the unempowered.” (page 181)

45) Project gays as victims of circumstance and oppression, not as aggressive challengers (page 183);

46) “Mustachioed leather men, drag queens, and bull dykes” should not appear in gay commercials and other public presentations (until later after wide acceptance) (page 183);

47) Groups on the farthest margins of acceptability, such as NAMBLA, must play no part at all in the medioa campaign (page 184);

48) Gays should be portrayed as victims of prejudice…graphic pictures of brutalized gays, dramatizations of job and housing insecurity, loss of child custody, public humiliation… (page 185);

49) In time we see no reason why more and more diversity should not be introduced into the projected image (i.e., drag queens, pedophiles, etc.) (page 186);

50) Infer and speculate that famous historical figures were gay for two reasons: first, they are dead as a door nail, hence in no position to deny the truth and sue for libel; (page 188)

51) In TV and print, images of victimizers can be combined with those of their gay victims by a method propagandists call the “bracket technique” (page 190);

51) The media campaign will reach straights on an emotional level, casting gays as society’s victims and inviting straights to be their protectors (page 187);

52) We like television because it’s the most graphic and intrusive medium for our message (page 201)

53) Over the long-term, “television and magazines” are probably the media of choice (page 204);

54) Ads must manage to get the word gay into the headline or tagline (page 207);

55) Each message should tap public sentiment, patriotic, or otherwise, and drill an unimpeachable agreeable proposition into the mainstreams head (page 208);

56) Several years down the road, our tactics will have carved out, slice by slice, a large portion of access to mainstream media (page 213);

57) Associate and link gays to good causes and non-controversial activities (page 219);

58) The more people who appear to practice homosexuality, and the more innate it appears to be, the less abnormal and objectionable, and the more legitimate it will seem (which is why it is important to maintain claims to 10% of the population)(page 217)

59) Stage candid interviews with gays who appear as solid citizens. Subjects in commercials should be interviewed alone, not with their lovers (for now) (page 247);

60) Most people derive their impressions of the world through the national media (page 250);

61) It will be a sheer delight to besmirch our tormentors, we cannot waste our resources on revenge alone (page 189);

62) “Too many Americans share this mistrust of gay citizens” (page 55)

[angkor]

Note that it's in the section "Judiciary Power", yet offers nothing at all to the judiciary, only to the governor and the legislature.

Presumably that means the judiciary is forbidden to intervene on those questions.

[PhiKapMom]

I have already seen it start with some of their arguments with this ruling. The problem is that the State's Rights of MA may affect Oklahomans. That is when it stops being a State's Rights issue IMHO.

Already disgusted with some on here and cannot imagine what some of us are going to say about their arrogance on this issue. I remember the sodomy ruling and how it was correct.

Are we sure these people are even conservative? Conservatives I know were appalled by the ruling.

[I_love_weather]

YAWN...

Again I can come up with THOUSANDS of quotes from far right wing...Christian groups that would make you look so silly you would never post here again.

[TigersEye]

I don't see how the Mass Supremes can order a legislative branch to write any legislation...

That is exactly how civil unions came to pass in VT.

[JLO]

Ha, you're way ahead of the game as far as I'm concerned. In a little further looking around within links, I saw this. You've probably already seen it though. http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Manifestos/VVAW_Kerry_Senate.html
Vietnam Veterans Against the War Statement by John Kerry to the Senate Committee of Foreign Relaions

April 23, 1971

[Uncle Miltie]

Just when you get down about the profligate spending, GWB goes and does something so darned good you gotta smile.

[PhiKapMom]

The Defense of Marriage is being introduced into this session of the Oklahoma legislature. Now we get to see if the RATs who control the legislature will pass it and if the RAT Governor will sign. Our moronic Attorney General would probably go in with MA if it went to SCOTUS. He backed Gore and also CT against the Boy Scouts against the wishes of the State.

[I_love_weather]

That is an exaggeration of course...because I know you would continue to post...but the point is I can find quote after quote after quote after quote that would embarrass your cause...any cause for that matter.

[cyncooper]

As I pointed outm he saw this coming and addressed it in his SOTU Address. Maybe you need a neon sign indicating what a person of integrity and honor will do when they indicate they are taking the lead on an issue. I have eyes to see and ears to hear and know he has taken this issue head on and will lead the charge to stop this travesty before it overtakes our country.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Way to go GW!

[bobo1]

Constitution of Massachusettes:

Chapter I

Article V. All power residing originally in the people, and being derived from them, the several magistrates and officers of government, vested with authority, whether legislative, executive, or judicial, are their substitutes and agents, and ""are at all times accountable to them.""

Article VII. Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity and happiness of the people; and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men: Therefore the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to "reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity and happiness require it."

Article VIII. In order to prevent those, who are vested with authority, from becoming oppressors, the people have a right, at such periods and in such manner as they shall establish by their frame of government, ""to cause their public officers to return to private life""; and to fill up vacant places by certain and regular elections and appointments.

Article XXIX. It is essential to the preservation of the rights of every individual, his life, liberty, property, and character, that there be an impartial interpretation of the laws, and administration of justice. It is the right of every citizen to be tried by judges as free, impartial and independent as the lot of humanity will admit. It is, therefore, not only the best policy, but for the security of the rights of the people, and of every citizen, that the ""judges of the supreme judicial court should hold their offices as long as they behave themselves well;""

Chapter III

Article I. The tenure, that all commission officers shall by law have in their offices, shall be expressed in their respective commissions. All judicial officers, duly appointed, commissioned and sworn, ""shall hold their offices during good behavior,""

Appears that they can be removed to me according to The MA constitution.

blessings, Bobo

[PhiKapMom]

Grandkids I can really understand. Internet and Satellite help keep your sanity -- that I would bet on.

[little jeremiah]

Why the "yawn"? You're bored with this discussion? You think the quotes I posted are not the viewpoint of the homosexual activists are are changing the moral standards of not only this country but countries around the world? The ones who are suing priests in Belgium and Spain for speaking out against homosexual marriage, and that homosexuality is neither normal nor natural? The ones who have been fined in Canada and elsewhere for "hatespeech"? The ones who are trying again and again to either infiltrate or destroy the Boy Scouts? Etc etc etc?

I don't understand your animosity. Are you in favor or same sex marriage or what?

Are you the kind of person that has a bumper sticker that says "If you are against abortion don't have one"?

BTW, don't put me in a "fundamentalist Christian" box, I won't fit.

[Wait4Truth]

God bless our President! And we know by now that many of the "conservatives" here on FR are not really conservatives - now don't we?

[Dog Gone]

This actually comes at a pretty good time politically. America is no more ready for mandated gay marriage than they were for the Super Bowl halftime antics.

I wouldn't want to be a Massachussetts senator running for President, for example.

[PhiKapMom]

Exactly!

When you come right down to it, the thought of Kerry picking judges should send chills up everyone's spine. I thought terrorism was the #1 issue but now I am convinced it is the Judiciary and making sure we get no more activist judges on the federal bench.

[puroresu]

The problem is, these "conservatives" are talking about a theoretical ideal when the reality of the situation is about to run right over them.

It would be all well and good to defend state's rights on this issue **IF** there were no plans being laid to violate state's rights by forcing every state to comply with the Massachusetts ruling. But there are such plans, so that alone voids the state's rights argument.

To paraphrase the village elder in the film Seven Samurai: DON'T WORRY ABOUT YOUR BEARD WHEN YOUR HEAD IS ABOUT TO BE CHOPPED OFF!

It's pretty ridiculous to oppose a legitimate constitutional amendment to define marriage as between one man and one woman on state's rights grounds, when much of the legal, academic, and media establishment are coalescing around a plan to force gay marriage on all fifty states via a federal judicial fiat. It becomes preposterous to oppose such an amendment on state's rights grounds when the practical effect will be an even greater loss of state's rights, and via an illegitimate process (judicial activism) as icing on the cake.