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To: SkyRat
The pressure thing, I'm not talking about atmospheric pressure but the sensation of pressure in your ear. As you rise and the atmospheric pressure falls, the air space behind your eardrum causes outward bulging of the eardrum . It is painful. That's why little kids with ear infections scream,cry and pull on their ears.

With the NDE, I wasn't suggesting that it would hinder survival. According to the Darwinist's the biologic changes that enhance survival among the breeding individuals tend to be the most successful in reproducing, therefore the trait gets passed along. It makes animals more uniquely suited to their environment.

A pleasant death experience does not contribute to breedability and numerous off spring. It doesn't fit into "Survival of the fittest". It doesn't hinder evolution it would be irrelevant to it. Traits that do not enhance survival are usually bred out over time.
382 posted on 02/12/2004 11:23:06 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (black dogs are my life)
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To: TASMANIANRED
The pressure thing, I'm not talking about atmospheric pressure but the sensation of pressure in your ear.

You are talking about atmospheric pressure.

As you rise and the atmospheric pressure falls, the air space behind your eardrum causes outward bulging of the eardrum .

Right. Which is the same as diving where the outside pressure rise and the eardrum bulges inside. Since it's said all life started in the sea, I guess that's enough time for evolution. It's not something that came with quick travel.

It is painful. That's why little kids with ear infections scream,cry and pull on their ears.

It helps to swallow or to yawn. A chewing gum works best for me. I always have some with me when I fly.

With the NDE, I wasn't suggesting that it would hinder survival.

If it doesn't hinder survival, it can stay quite a while. Like you said yourself, it's irrelevant to evolution. No force is acting upon it.

A pleasant death experience does not contribute to breedability and numerous off spring.

Who knows? I've been death and came back to see you, sounds like a unbeatable pickup-line. Maybe it does enhance breedability.

Traits that do not enhance survival are usually bred out over time.

Well, without modern medicine most NDE cases wouldn't walk today. So, isn't it a mood point?

Anyway, I think you are too eager in search for reasons against evolution and use the NDE cases for that. I think this isn't really a case either pro or contra evolution. NDE's happen when the brain is under a lot of stress. I guess it uses every trick in the book to minimize damage and stay a live for some more time. The NDE's appear to be a side effect of this. Just a side effect not something that happens on purpose.

To grant you something here, if NDE's do happen on purpose, it does raise a lot of question in most areas, including theology and evolution. But I think that is very unlikely.
384 posted on 02/12/2004 2:55:32 PM PST by SkyRat (If privacy wasn't of value, we wouldn't have doors on bathrooms.)
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