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You, sir, are a constitutional and historical moron.

The states created the Constitution, first by calling the Constitutional Convention, and then by ratifying it. In same manner, the states had created the Articles of Confederation, first by causing it to be written by their representatives in Congress, and then by ratifying it.

In neither instance did the federal government "give" anything to the states. Instead, the devolution was the other way around, from the states to the federal government. Any competent student of American government knows this.

I have accepted the fact that I will be opposed by people who firmly believe false conclusions about the history of the US and its Constitution. You are, of course, on that list.

Have a nice day.

John / Billybob

The powers delegated to the United States are done so by the Constititution. It does not say that the powers are delegated to the United States by the individual states.
Therefore the states did not have the power to take back something that was granted by something else. If an individual state wants to take back powers granted to the Feds by the constitution, they need a constitutional amendment.
The supremacy clause states that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, the laws or constitution of the states nowithstanding.
What the supreme law of the land has granted inferior law can not take away. And whether you like it or not, state law is inferior to Constitutional law. Whether it is by the legislature, converntion, divining chicken entrails or whatever. I no more believe in the concept of secession at will than I do the divine right of kings. 202 hirn_man

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You may not "believe in the right of succession," but the Framers of the Constitution certainly did. Most of them, in their personal writings, confirmed that states could leave the union as freely as they had entered under both the Articles of Confederation and later the Constitution.
The leaders of the Confederacy were correct, philosophically, on the issue of succession, and quoted the Framers at length to prove their point. Of course, there is no more solid way to lose a political debate than to lose a war over the precise issue. So, after Lee handed Grant his sword at Appomatox Courthouse, no state had any right to leave the union. Congressman Billybob 397

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Hirn_man makes some valid constitutional points above, and typical of b-bobby we see see you brush them off with inane opinions..
Does this 'style' of debate work in the courtroom for you?
I think not, although it may explain why you want to become a politician. 402 tpaine

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You, sir, are a constitutional and historical moron.

Not in evidence, B-bob. --- You play these personal attack ploys when you can't answer to the facts.

The states created the Constitution, first by calling the Constitutional Convention, and then by ratifying it.

The 'people' of the states. The state has no inherant authority, as you well know. Or should, being a "constitutional lawyer" as you tout yourself..

In same manner, the states had created the Articles of Confederation, first by causing it to be written by their representatives in Congress, and then by ratifying it.
In neither instance did the federal government "give" anything to the states.

How lame, - no one here has claimed the states were "given" anything by the feds.. Straw man.

Instead, the devolution was the other way around, from the states to the federal government. Any competent student of American government knows this.

Ahh yess, you established your straw man, now its the old 'everyone knows'.. -- Pitiful ploy, B-bobby..

I have accepted the fact that I will be opposed by people who firmly believe false conclusions about the history of the US and its Constitution. You are, of course, on that list. Have a nice day. John / Billybob 405

Poor little Billy, opposed by all in his fight for the right of the state to ignore our BOR's..

The states created the Constitution, first by calling the Constitutional Convention, and then by ratifying it. In [the] same manner, the states had created the Articles of Confederation, first by causing it to be written by their representatives in Congress, and then by ratifying it.

In neither instance did the federal government "give" anything to the states. Instead, the devolution was the other way around, from the states to the federal government. Any competent student of American government knows this.

BUMP!

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