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To: avg_freeper; daviddennis
You guys need to get your definition of socialisim down. This is a sign of a free society at its best. Allowing citizens to produce and distribute messages to the masses, bypassing the media and government gatekeepers, would never happen in a socialist utopia. Even fax machines are banned in hard line USSR, China, Iran, etc.

While I don't agree with the message these filmmakers are trying to convey, I applaud them for using their home equipment to produce work that is ready to air. It's the 21st century equilivent of Poor Richard putting out broadsides.

And linking Mac-to-socialism is quiet a stretch, but if you want to go down this road I'll refer you back to the original 1984 Macintosh Superbowl commercial.

Macs and America rule!
6 posted on 02/04/2004 10:20:23 AM PST by ibbryn (this tag intentionally left blank)
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To: ibbryn
At times like these I like to refer back to "In the Beginning was the Command Line" by Neal Stephenson.
Apple has always insisted on having a hardware monopoly, except for a brief period in the mid-1990s when they allowed clone-makers to compete with them, before subsequently putting them out of business. Macintosh hardware was, consequently, expensive. You didn't open it up and fool around with it because doing so would void the warranty. In fact the first Mac was specifically designed to be difficult to open--you needed a kit of exotic tools, which you could buy through little ads that began to appear in the back pages of magazines a few months after the Mac came out on the market. These ads always had a certain disreputable air about them, like pitches for lock-picking tools in the backs of lurid detective magazines.

This monopolistic policy can be explained in at least three different ways.

THE CHARITABLE EXPLANATION is that the hardware monopoly policy reflected a drive on Apple's part to provide a seamless, unified blending of hardware, operating system, and software. There is something to this. It is hard enough to make an OS that works well on one specific piece of hardware, designed and tested by engineers who work down the hallway from you, in the same company. Making an OS to work on arbitrary pieces of hardware, cranked out by rabidly entrepeneurial clonemakers on the other side of the International Date Line, is very difficult, and accounts for much of the troubles people have using Windows.

THE FINANCIAL EXPLANATION is that Apple, unlike Microsoft, is and always has been a hardware company. It simply depends on revenue from selling hardware, and cannot exist without it.

THE NOT-SO-CHARITABLE EXPLANATION has to do with Apple's corporate culture, which is rooted in Bay Area Baby Boomdom.

Now, since I'm going to talk for a moment about culture, full disclosure is probably in order, to protect myself against allegations of conflict of interest and ethical turpitude: (1) Geographically I am a Seattleite, of a Saturnine temperament, and inclined to take a sour view of the Dionysian Bay Area, just as they tend to be annoyed and appalled by us. (2) Chronologically I am a post-Baby Boomer. I feel that way, at least, because I never experienced the fun and exciting parts of the whole Boomer scene--just spent a lot of time dutifully chuckling at Boomers' maddeningly pointless anecdotes about just how stoned they got on various occasions, and politely fielding their assertions about how great their music was. But even from this remove it was possible to glean certain patterns, and one that recurred as regularly as an urban legend was the one about how someone would move into a commune populated by sandal-wearing, peace-sign flashing flower children, and eventually discover that, underneath this facade, the guys who ran it were actually control freaks; and that, as living in a commune, where much lip service was paid to ideals of peace, love and harmony, had deprived them of normal, socially approved outlets for their control-freakdom, it tended to come out in other, invariably more sinister, ways.

Applying this to the case of Apple Computer will be left as an exercise for the reader, and not a very difficult exercise.

It is a bit unsettling, at first, to think of Apple as a control freak, because it is completely at odds with their corporate image. Weren't these the guys who aired the famous Super Bowl ads showing suited, blindfolded executives marching like lemmings off a cliff? Isn't this the company that even now runs ads picturing the Dalai Lama (except in Hong Kong) and Einstein and other offbeat rebels?

It is indeed the same company, and the fact that they have been able to plant this image of themselves as creative and rebellious free-thinkers in the minds of so many intelligent and media-hardened skeptics really gives one pause. It is testimony to the insidious power of expensive slick ad campaigns and, perhaps, to a certain amount of wishful thinking in the minds of people who fall for them.

It also raises the question of why Microsoft is so bad at PR, when the history of Apple demonstrates that, by writing large checks to good ad agencies, you can plant a corporate image in the minds of intelligent people that is completely at odds with reality. (The answer, for people who don't like Damoclean questions, is that since Microsoft has won the hearts and minds of the silent majority--the bourgeoisie--they don't give a damn about having a slick image, any more then Dick Nixon did.

"I want to believe,"--the mantra that Fox Mulder has pinned to his office wall in The X-Files--applies in different ways to these two companies; Mac partisans want to believe in the image of Apple purveyed in those ads, and in the notion that Macs are somehow fundamentally different from other computers, while Windows people want to believe that they are getting something for their money, engaging in a respectable business transaction).

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But the price that we Mac owners had to pay for superior aesthetics and engineering was not merely a financial one. There was a cultural price too, stemming from the fact that we couldn't open up the hood and mess around with it. Doug Barnes was right. Apple, in spite of its reputation as the machine of choice of scruffy, creative hacker types, had actually created a machine that discouraged hacking, while Microsoft, viewed as a technological laggard and copycat, had created a vast, disorderly parts bazaar--a primordial soup that eventually self-assembled into Linux.


12 posted on 02/04/2004 10:39:27 AM PST by Fixit
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To: ibbryn
Well said!

I use my Macs to create videos of our freeps, which are much beloved by many people here.

It's simply the best tool. What you create with it is up to you.

D
21 posted on 02/04/2004 11:02:38 AM PST by daviddennis (;)
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To: ibbryn
And linking Mac-to-socialism is quiet a stretch, but if you want to go down this road I'll refer you back to the original 1984 Macintosh Superbowl commercial. Macs and America rule!

In a true socialist command economy, the central government would have long ago established a microcomputer operating system standard and required all computer manufacturers to produce computers to that adhere to that standard... DOS.

If socialism is established now, when Windows has 95% of the market, the command economy would select THAT as the standard... and again, everyone would lose.

The Mac is for those of us who refuse to march to Gates drumbeat.

I would bet if the Republicans sponsored a similar ad contest, as many or more people would produce excellent conservative ads on their favorite platforms. The Mac produced conservative ads would shine because Macs make the job easier to allow the creative juices to flow.

66 posted on 02/04/2004 6:12:37 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tagline shut down for renovations and repairs. Re-open June of 2001.)
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