[happygrl]

To an Islamist, anything that is not pure, that does not belong to the kingdom of God, is by definition barbarous and must be destroyed.

Then why don't they begin with their own societies ?

A chief failure of the Arab Muslims in particular is that they don't introspectively consider their own sins.

The slavery, the debauchery of children, the repression of women, sodomy, the lust for money, all are rampant in that culture.

The most significant aspect of truth is looking at oneself with a critical eye. The Arab Muslims, in particular, have not managed this first juvenile step.

[Valin]

Then why don't they begin with their own societies ?

Actually this was thier first complaints. That their own societies were becoming "degenerate". (If memory serves) The Muslim Brotherhood was orginaly founded to "reform" Egypt. In one sense it's not that the questions they have/are asking are wrong(Why are we after being the center of the world for so long now reduced to 3rd rate status) it's the answer (We need to retuen to a "pure" Islam). Whatever the heck "pure Islam" means.

[gobucks]

The slavery, the debauchery of children, the repression of women, sodomy, the lust for money, all are rampant in that culture.

Very true, and very politically incorrect information to be talking about. It's virtually impossible to get reliable data regarding these 'human', esp sexual, characteristics about any ethnic group. But, we can look at their actions through our christian lens, and clearly see the faults. To them, it's business as usual since the sands starting blowing.

Arabs are not introspective. Arabs are counting people, tracking the beads of honor and shame upon their mental abacus.

(Semitic word 'abq' means 'sand' - ancient counting involved drawing lines in the sand, then on portable counting tables - the chinese abacus was imported into china. Someone out there was going to attempt to correct my metaphor, so I preempted, heh, heh - W would be proud).

Anyway, they keep track of the honor beads, and if the calculations exceed a certain threshold, vengence is the order of the day. Then the beads are returned to where they belong. The Koran allows for these arab tribal ethics - and does not encourage introspection.

One last thing. There is no such thing as 'loving and honoring the truth' to a Muslim. Thus, introspection itself - a truth seeking endevour - is seen by them as 'crazy', and definitely a pathway to shameful thoughts.

Muslims, people who accept and follow the Koran as it's written today, are never going to see the origins of the USA as something worth defending and dying for (for religious liberty to them is evil most profane

... and thus, the more the USA imports them, the fewer potential folks who will fight and die for liberty. It's demographic reality.