1 posted on
02/03/2004 6:22:24 PM PST by
RJCogburn
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To: RJCogburn
Note the selective change by the liberal media from "were killed" to "died", thus allowing accidental drownings and car accidents to be included in the toll.
To: RJCogburn
About 2,000 Americans die a day from heart disease.
3 posted on
02/03/2004 6:25:05 PM PST by
xrp
To: RJCogburn
Sad news to be sure, but what is the alternative for iraq? i suspect that they were dying at a much higher rate before the war.
We should never lose our perspective in regaurds to wars and why we fight them.
4 posted on
02/03/2004 6:25:58 PM PST by
cripplecreek
(.50 cal border fence)
To: RJCogburn
American soldiers are dying at a rate of more than one a day in Iraq, despite some commanders' recent claims to have broken the back of the insurgency. If we were fighting a traditional enemy its back would be broken by now. But when fanatical suicide/homicide bombers are part of the equation, all bets are off.
8 posted on
02/03/2004 6:29:15 PM PST by
Mr. Mojo
To: RJCogburn
Um, U.S. troops having been dying at a rate of over 1 a day since the war began. This writer is acting like it is a new development.
He also counters statements like "we've turned the corner" by pointing to individual attacks - a general says we've turned the corner, the writers says "but some attacks occurred in that area". Um, so what. The fact that this, that, and the other attack occurred doesn't mean they haven't "turned the corner". "Turned the corner" does not mean "zeroed out all attacks from now until posterity".
Finally he states something flat-out wrong which is that a predicted less violent period "has not happened". It has happened and this is clear if you look at the statistics. The rate of death went way up in November and since then has been slowly but steadily falling. What jumps out even more from the graphs (I keep track of this stuff with graphs) is that the gap-between-deadly-attacks (in days) is climbing. A falling death rate - and longer gaps between attacks - certainly sounds to me like a "less violent period".
To: RJCogburn
We all regret the loss of life, but any nation that cannot bear to take such casualties does not deserve to endure.
To: RJCogburn
Nothing new
Now I am dangerous I have found out how to post graphics.
15 posted on
02/03/2004 6:39:29 PM PST by
dts32041
(I am voting for grid lock, and a defender of the constitution.)
To: RJCogburn
Average daily death toll among US forces during period 7 Dec 41 - 14 Aug 45: 143 per day. You can look it up.
16 posted on
02/03/2004 6:39:47 PM PST by
Snickersnee
(Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket???)
To: RJCogburn
American soldiers are dying at a rate of more than one a day in IraqCompare that to the 3,000 that died on one day in September, 2001 in America.
18 posted on
02/03/2004 6:41:36 PM PST by
Flyer
(Fear the Train!)
To: RJCogburn
Bleeding heart liberal media types dwell on U.S. casualty figures in Iraq with morbid zeal. They are desperate to put President Bush in the worst possible light. To make a comparison, over one thousand Marines & Navy personnel were killed in three days during the assault of Tarawa in WWII ... most of them in the first 12 hours. Nearly 7000 were KIA on Iwo Jima in March/April 1945 in the three weeks it took to secure the island. A democ"RAT" by the name of Roosevelt was President at the time ... was he blamed for every casualty by the media? Of course not ...
25 posted on
02/03/2004 6:50:46 PM PST by
BluH2o
To: RJCogburn
Remember the media needs to make money and scandals or shocking stuff sells.
It's election year so the issues will be politicized and before long, Bush himself will be at fault that there is a lack of quality tiolet paper in Baghdad. Things tend to get distorted, overexagerated and taken out of context for political gain.
It's not that bad in Iraq. Soldiers have internet, sat TV, phone banks PXs on every Forward Operating Base and much more. The quality of life just isn't really that bad.
The danger is real, but it's not that the Iraqis hate Americans. MOST violence is Iraqi on Iraqi and existed before the Coalition rolled in. Only now the West cares and the media can travel freely.
The only thing that the opponent has against us is the media which generally works in their favor. An American public with unrealistic expectations. It's all about the information war now.
The US military is the best equiped, trained, most experienced and the 6th (Army)largest in the world. Remember this: The US smashed a force of almost equal size in 3 weeks with 200 or so casualties. Our industrial base is in the US, we commanded the war from Florida and fought this war against an enemy that knew our axis of advance. We kind of were limited after the French and Germans threated the Turks with possible EU membership if they let us in. So a northern option was closed. We rolled up a city with 5.6 million in population with few casualties. Point is- While not glorified in the media, our military performed in a way that is unprecidented. Never before has something like this been done at any time any where. No one else in the world can even dream of doing this.
Red6
31 posted on
02/03/2004 7:15:53 PM PST by
Red6
To: RJCogburn
This thread and the blathering idiots on it disgust me. Casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan are not traffic fatalities to be trivialized or marginalized by politicians or their lackies.
32 posted on
02/03/2004 7:24:35 PM PST by
Ranger
To: RJCogburn
It is sad and tragic that we are loose one troops a day. It is sinful that they press touts their deaths on a daily basis for their own vile spew.
35 posted on
02/03/2004 7:29:52 PM PST by
armymarinemom
(My Son Liberated the Honor Roll Students in Iraq)
To: RJCogburn
Every loss, accidental or combat-related, is a tragedy, but we know the dangers of military service when we volunteer.
It is the height of disrespect for those with an agenda to use the dead to make a political point, but it doesn't surprise me.
Things are very different than the media makes them out to be. Until we get back to unbiased reporting, the masses will never know. I fear the tide will never turn.
To: RJCogburn
When I was in Nam we were losing 500 a week. That's the difference in a 'Rat war and a GOP war.
42 posted on
02/03/2004 8:14:18 PM PST by
kellynla
("C" 1/5 1st Mar. Div. U.S.M.C. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi!)
To: RJCogburn
Why should even one American have to die to free even one individual in Iraq?
How could an evil tryant like Sadam exist if the people he tyranized truly wanted freedom, and were willing to die to secure it? He could not. Since the Iraquis were not willing to die to secure freedom for themselves, why should any American have to die to secure it for them?
Hank
To: RJCogburn
See, I told ya war was a bad thing, but would they listen... NOOo. Someone needs to do something... what ever happened to the good old days when people settled their disputes diplomatically... huh?
To: RJCogburn
I mean no disrespect to the families of servicemen killed in action in Afganistan and Iraq but Vietnam cost 58,169 US lives, fifteen thousand of them in 1968 alone. It is an understatement to say our men and women are doing an amazing job.
49 posted on
02/03/2004 8:46:09 PM PST by
Liberal Classic
(No better friend, no worse enemy.)
To: RJCogburn
The losses are bad and these are great people who served their country, but the losses are still less than was expected if the Iraqis went toe to toe with us in geurilla warfare in the streets of Baghdad. At this point it seems to be more dangerous than it was at the peak of the conflict. I think we should try to get out troops out as quickly as possible and hope a democratic Iraq doesn't elect an Islamic muslim as ruler.
50 posted on
02/03/2004 8:46:37 PM PST by
optik_b
(follow the money)
To: RJCogburn
IsraelRussiaMoroccoIndonesiaSaudi ArabiaTurkeyIndiaKashmirPakistanKenya Sure, it is all just us, just in Iraq, if we'd just leave everything would be peaches.
The above represents 20 minutes using Google, the tip of the iceberg. As far down as you want to drill you will find more and more. Anybody in the media keeping a daily running count? Didn't think so.
58 posted on
02/04/2004 12:35:34 AM PST by
JasonC
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