Oregon Measure 30 (Tax Increase) Expected to Fail

Various | Recent | Rep. Lane Shetterly, Julie Silverman

[cogitator]

The taxes vs. services debate focus moves from California and Alabama to Oregon today. Good luck to the people of the great state of Oregon!

[Eala]

temporary increase in the income tax

Sure, I believe that...

[diamondjoe]

Conservatives in Oregon are making idiots of themselves as they show how willing they are to cut school programs, vital public services (fire, police, etc.) all to make a cheap political point and save their knuckle-dragging constituents an extra $80/year.

[enraged]

WTF do you know about my reasons for voting "NO"?
I don't see that you are even from Oregon, BTW it is $120+ in my bracket. It would appear from all the hype that you've bought into (whos the idiot?)that schools and cops are the only things my taxes pay for, BS there is so much waste it boggles the mind! And BTW the only time my knuckles drag is when I'm creeping thru the brush trying to get a clean kill shot!(at a deer that is).
If you want to vote "Yes" and you really are worried about funding, then when this thing goes down like the hindenburg wht don't you tear a big chunk off of YOUR paycheck and hand it on over!

[chiefqc]

Gee wiz, the nerve of the tax payers wanting their elected officals to live within their means.

Don't those tax payer know that their elected officals view them, and their hard earned money, as a bottomless pit of money that they can grab for any and all moronic tax wasting ideas that they can think of.

I do declare, the vile nerve of those tax payers.

[cogitator]

Conservatives in Oregon are making idiots of themselves as they show how willing they are to cut school programs, vital public services (fire, police, etc.)

Do you really think so? I disagree with you; I think the failure of Measure 30 would send a great message to the rest of the country, to whit: "We don't believe you, legislators of (choose your state), when you say that more revenue is needed. We want you to keep cutting services until you can prove that we need what's left when you're done cutting!"

Or this message: "Let our school system go downhill. If families with kids don't like it, they can move to another state with better schools and better teachers!"

Or this message: "Why should we care about PUBLIC safety? I'm safe. Isn't that what matters most?"

Or maybe even this message: "If somebody is disabled, then it certainly won't matter if it takes the state a few extra days to process their welfare check. After all, they aren't really contributing to society as much as a normal person."

Oregonians should send a clear message. Go Beavers! Go Ducks!

[cogitator]

It would appear from all the hype that you've bought into (whos the idiot?)that schools and cops are the only things my taxes pay for, BS there is so much waste it boggles the mind!

enraged, why does Rep. Shetterly say that 95% of the general fund budget in Oregon goes for education, public safey, and human services? Just curious.

[Dead Dog]

Actually my retired, fixed income parents stand to loose over $700 this year if it passes.

The Democrats (who control Oregon) should consider paying for vital public services out of the general fund and lay off the extorsion by levy tactics (give us more money, or the Teacher/cop/Firman get's the axe).

[trebb]

temporary increase in the income tax

Sure, I believe that...

But, it's true - temporarily raise the income tax now and in 3 years, raise it again, which negates this instance of it...

[cherry]

there are few conservatives in Oregon......but a whole lot of fed up people who are tired of paying teengage boys to pump gas for several more cents per gallon than other states, pay a huge income tax as well, as well as all the other taxes....

a would bet most of these people are probably working class democrats....

[humboldtconservative]

Couldn't they just implement a sales tax instead? It is zero presently, right?

[hattend]

Makes cuts until it hurts...really bad.

Then cut some more. No new taxes.

(yeah, I'm not in Oregon but that mantra should be in all 50 states and DC)

[cogitator]

Make cuts until it hurts...really bad.

What's your definition of "hurt"? Who? Where? How? What do you value? What are you willing to lose?

[judgeandjury]

"We are feeling that it is probably going to fail," said Nellie Franklin, whose son is a senior at Burns High School in southeastern Oregon. "I thought, maybe people will start realizing this is real, but they are still thinking, 'Oh they have the money ratholed away somewhere.'"

Actually Oregonians are thinking that the state legislature continues to waste too much of the taxpayer's money. So why should the taxpayers give them even more money to waste by voting for a tax increase?

[cogitator]

Actually Oregonians are thinking that the state legislature continues to waste too much of the taxpayer's money.

The question therefore should be: Is the state government/state legislature of Oregon wasting too much of the taxpayer's money? And if they don't think they are (wasting the taxpayer's money), can the taxpayers show them where it's being wasted?

I don't know if they can; it would be nice if they could. Then the state legislature wouldn't have to cut people off from their Oregon Health Plan benefits, among other things that will be automatically cut when Measure 30 fails.

[judgeandjury]

Conservatives in Oregon are making idiots of themselves as they show how willing they are to cut school programs, vital public services (fire, police, etc.) all to make a cheap political point and save their knuckle-dragging constituents an extra $80/year.

Why doesn't the Oregon state government cut non-essential state programs and services instead of cutting school programs and vital public services? Why doesn't the Oregon state government threaten to lay off six-figure salaried bureaucrats instead of threatening to close or cut back programs that would hurt the children, the elderly, and the poor? Probably because nobody would care if non-essential state services were cut or if fat cat state bureaucrats lost their jobs. But people listen when legislators make their emotional pleas about protecting the children, the elderly, and the poor as they beg for more tax money to waste.

[diamondjoe]

I imagine you're one of the people who believes that Mannix truly does have a "secret plan" to somehow balance the budget while not raising taxes and not cutting essential services. (It's only after people like Mannix get elected that we learn that they don't consider education or public safety to be essential services.) Oh well, I'm sure Lars and Victor will make you feel better about yourself when this gets defeated. To heck with the kids, right? Right.

[diamondjoe]

Ok, what's the waste? Where is it? Can you name some programs? I doubt it--most people who spout that kind of rhetoric are simply regurgitating what Lars told them to think.

[diamondjoe]

Oregon ranks pretty low in overall tax burden, actually.

[judgeandjury]

why does Rep. Shetterly say that 95% of the general fund budget in Oregon goes for education, public safey, and human services? Just curious.

Even if this figure is correct, it wouldn't necessarily mean that this money is being spent efficiently on education, public safey, and human services.