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Don't waste my vote: Radical center offers harsh advice for both parties
The Seattle Times ^ | Sunday, February 01, 2004, 02:44 P.M. Pacific | Bill Broz

Posted on 02/03/2004 4:30:37 AM PST by Int


Don't waste my vote: Radical center offers harsh advice for both parties

By Bill Broz
Special to The Times

The pundits tell us that this year's presidential election promises to be the most polarized in decades. They assert that emotion for and against President Bush is running so high that voters' minds are mostly made up.

We swing voters seem to be on the endangered species list here in 2004 and so, the conventional wisdom goes, are in a poor position to "swing" much of anything.

Well, not so fast. Polarized the electorate may be, but the margins are razor-thin. If the 2000 Florida vote taught us anything, it's that a tiny sliver of the electorate can make all the difference.

Washington voters will soon have the opportunity to make their own mark on the burgeoning presidential campaign. So it's time now for this dedicated independent to make his plea to both major parties not to continue certain frequently recurring but obnoxious behaviors.

For the Democrats:

"Bush stole the election!"

No sale. If this is the story you need to tell in order to rile up the faithful, knock yourselves out. Just leave us independents out of it; we're not about to salivate over this particular variety of raw meat.

The Florida election was close enough to strain the precision of the then-current vote-counting technology. Controversial it may have been. But, get over it.

"Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction to get us into the war in Iraq!

" Please. If this is what passes for reasoned political discourse in this day and age, the left really is dead and buried.

Let's start with a readily accepted definition of "lie": a deliberate untruth. Sorry, but for all the rhetoric, no one has presented a shred of evidence to support this.

What folks like me are willing to seriously consider is a profoundly flawed decision-making process that included selective use of data to support a preordained conclusion. In other words, "hearing what you want to hear."

This is certainly a case of poor judgment and a breakdown of institutional checks and balances. Lying? Nope.

"Bush is an idiot."

Based on the alleged reasoning I've seen from the president's critics, they're not in an especially strong position to level this charge.

George W. Bush may lack the verbal agility so dearly cherished by those who possess it — primarily media talking heads and other self-appointed intelligentsia. So what?

I'm going to make a decision based on the guy's track record (mixed thus far), not the surface fluency of his words.

"Bush is a unilateralist cowboy."

So accused because of treaties rejected and agreements not signed: the Kyoto Protocol on global warming; the International Criminal Court; abrogation of the ABM Treaty, etc.

Would it really be asking too much to look beyond the mere fact of non-concurrence, and examine why it occurred?

For this independent voter, international harmony and avoiding the appearance of arrogance are not sufficient grounds to ratify treaties.

Agreements have to be in our national interest — that is what we pay the president to look after. Many of the rejected agreements were profoundly flawed and unfair. I would single out the Kyoto Protocol, so tilted against the U.S. as to be laughable.

The president was not alone in his opinion, by the way. Kyoto also had been defeated in the Senate — 95 to 0! If this is unilateralism, it's the damnedest bipartisan unilateralism I've ever seen.

At any rate, whatever his flaws (and he's got 'em, all right), give the president credit for recognizing that leadership isn't a popularity contest.

Republicans, don't get smug:

"We haven't found weapons of mass destruction but the Iraq War was justified anyway."

Mr. President, you have a serious problem.

I'm one of the guys — and there are a lot of us — who supported the administration's decision to go to war based largely on Secretary of State Colin Powell's testimony at the United Nations.

Powell cited ostensible evidence of WMDs and, man, did it sound like a good story. Far as I'm concerned, you're now trying to pull the old switcheroo, changing your story after the fact. I don't appreciate the crude attempt at bamboozlement.

Do you really think our memories are that short?

Cherry-picking data to support political conclusions.

I don't think you lied about WMDs, but I do think it's plausible that, in your collective disdain for the CIA and its sister organizations, you've selectively culled data to support what you really wanted to do from the get-go: eliminate Saddam Hussein.

One of the reasons I voted for you in 2000 was the expectation that you would surround yourself with mature advisers who would give the best, most objective advice possible.

Of necessity, this must include a systematic and serious consideration of contrarian opinion. In the case of Iraq, it didn't happen.

Groupthink has triumphed once again, and as far as this independent is concerned, there is no excuse for the shoddiness of the process. If you want my vote, you'd better show that you've fixed this.

Remember al-Qaida?

You know: the criminals who hijacked the planes, crashed them into the buildings and murdered all the people?

I cheered when you went after them in Afghanistan. After 9-11, I wanted to see them wiped off the face of the Earth even if it took generations to do it. I still do.

You haven't yet told a decent story explaining how our detour in Iraq is supposed to advance our cause against international terrorism. Or why you've diverted enormous resources away from bringing the murderers to justice.

Where, exactly, are your priorities?

Isn't the GOP supposed to be the party of sound money and limited government?

What I'm seeing is the tax-and-spend behavior you routinely deplore in the Democrats — without the tax part of it.

A dubiously justified war in Iraq, combined with a large tax cut and now a new space program, makes me wonder where the fiscal conservatives are hiding out.

And, fiercely as you defend it, the USA Patriot Act constitutes activist, not limited, government.

One of the things I look for in my politicians is the recognition that I have the right to be left alone. The Patriot Act, along with your latest initiative to get into the marriage-counseling business, doesn't bode terribly well.

My dream candidate

Lest anyone accuse me of running my own negative mini-campaign, here are a few characteristics of my "dream" candidate. You'll see I'm interested not so much in their positions on issues or how they would solve specific problems as how they would approach the business of governance.

At the risk of banality — character.

For me, this overused word boils down to one thing: doing what's right in the face of significant personal sacrifice. The candidate I vote for should have demonstrated this at least once during his or her public life.

One current candidate who comes to mind is Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., who made a decision to fight in an unpopular war, Vietnam, then became a principled critic of that same war after he returned to civilian life.

I don't know yet whether I will be supporting Kerry. But I will be paying attention to his campaign.

Love thy (partisan) enemy.

Or at least ensure contrary opinions get into the mix.

Historically, second-term presidents make a few high-level appointments from members of the opposing party. It's the sign of a confident executive, and good for the decision-making process — an antidote to the groupthink phenomenon I alluded to earlier.

I look for a candidate who has reached out this way during, say, a gubernatorial term. There will be more than enough pressure on a new president to make dumb decisions. Build in all the deliberative firebreaks you can.

Pay as you go.

I'm a believer in limited government, but recognize that new programs will be proposed from time to time. Some are even worthwhile.

My ideal candidate should not only tell me how much it's going to cost, but how he/she expects my fellow citizens and me to foot the bill.

I'm a big boy; tell me how hard you need to hit my wallet.

Dump the "bipartisanship" drivel.

Though I believe in the firewall of divergent views, whenever I hear a presidential candidate start blathering and pandering about bipartisanship, I'd rather chew on crushed glass.

News flash: The president is supposed to be partisan (within reason) and is expected to pursue a partisan agenda.

Save the "B-word" for times of true national peril, like Pearl Harbor or 9-11. Otherwise, give me a happy partisan warrior any day of the week.

This isn't to be confused with acting as a strict ideologue, by the way; I expect the chief executive to actively practice the art of compromise.

Here ends my plea from the "radical center."

As you can see, I'm still searching for my candidate and am likely to be doing so for some time.

For now, I say to our major parties: If you're after this independent's heart and mind this election year, you've got some explaining to do.

The sooner you start, the better.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: 2004; fencesitters; poxonbothhouses; radicalcenter; swingvote
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1 posted on 02/03/2004 4:30:39 AM PST by Int
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To: Int
"RADICAL" Center....PLEASE.....What is radical about being too thick of skull to be able to make up one's mind about leftist democrats who would bow to the UN, appoint activist judges who GOVERN from the bench, and who would surrender and pander to the dictators of the world?

What is it with these little "moderate" children who sit on the fence and say, "Look at me...look at me....I am somebody ...and my vote goes to the one who pays attention to me!!!"

The mushy middle are near brain dead dolts who are stick a finger in the wind, wait to see who is likely to get elected, then vote for that person so they can claim they voted for a winner.
2 posted on 02/03/2004 4:38:11 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: Impeach the Boy
The mushy middle are near brain dead dolts who are stick a finger in the wind, wait to see who is likely to get elected, then vote for that person so they can claim they voted for a winner.

The are cowards who lack character.

3 posted on 02/03/2004 4:43:04 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Int
""We haven't found weapons of mass destruction but the Iraq War was justified anyway."

"Mr. President, you have a serious problem.

I'm one of the guys — and there are a lot of us — who supported the administration's decision to go to war based largely on Secretary of State Colin Powell's testimony at the United Nations."

Therein lies the problem. If this picknose "journalist" had to have had WMDs waved under his nose to support the war then he deserves to be let down.

Powell believed Hussain had them. I believe Hussain had them and that they are now in Syria.

There were many, many reasons to go to war w/ Iraq. WMDs was just one of them.

4 posted on 02/03/2004 4:47:43 AM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy!)
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To: Impeach the Boy
To refer to an Ann Coulter quote, swing voters are those people that make their selection for president based on whether or not he wears boxers or briefs.
5 posted on 02/03/2004 4:48:44 AM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy!)
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To: Int
Far as I'm concerned, there are no independents. They're what I call "poll watchers". That meaning, when one candidate is ahead of another, beyond the margin of error, the so called independents are going to instantly formulate their vote right in front of the TV, head to the ballot box and vote for the "winner".
6 posted on 02/03/2004 4:50:22 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (All Our Base Are Belong To Dubya)
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To: rhombus; Impeach the Boy
And I'm sure any that are reading this thread will IMMEDIATELY change their minds and agree with us. :p

You know, you can attract more flies with honey than vinegar.
7 posted on 02/03/2004 4:52:42 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: sauropod
There were many, many reasons to go to war w/ Iraq. WMDs was just one of them.

You betcha, and when its all said and done, the Democrats will still look like the idiots they are.

I was wishing like hell the Republicans would have allowed the Democrats to go on with their silly investigations before the Iraq war. They were going to use the same intelligence Clinton used to bomb Baghdad for 4 days. The same intelligence and evidence Powell recanted from in front of the United Nations.

We already had authorizations, the Democrats were the ones doing the stonewalling to begin with, by making the White House fudge around with the UN for 6 more months. The burden of proof was and is still on Saddam. He's still not cooperating, even as a prisoner.

8 posted on 02/03/2004 4:57:31 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (All Our Base Are Belong To Dubya)
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To: Constantine XIII
And I'm sure any that are reading this thread will IMMEDIATELY change their minds and agree with us. :p

You know, you can attract more flies with honey than vinegar.

Nah, I respect people who tell me I'm stupid if I don't just shut up and agree with them.

9 posted on 02/03/2004 5:03:30 AM PST by steve50 ("There is Tranquility in Ignorance, but Servitude is its Partner.")
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To: Constantine XIII
I don't want to attract flies.....that is what MODERATES do...

Moderates are ROAD KILL on the highways of political change...gutless, don't really stand for anything...they are weasels...and they prostitute their voting.

There...is that better?
10 posted on 02/03/2004 5:04:07 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: Int
Nothing "radical" about these folks. However, I'm glad they are there. Without them, we'd have only the immovable 1/3's on the left and right.
11 posted on 02/03/2004 5:04:16 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: sauropod
Boxers or briefs...you nailed it. Very deep thinkers these moderates.
12 posted on 02/03/2004 5:04:58 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: Int
Kerry has character? HAH!

Having wooed and wed a 300 mil heiress and having two kids therewith, John F'n Kerry came across another heiress having 700 mil.

Quick as a wink, he calculated which was greater, 300 mil or 700 mil, and made the correct decision that 700 mil is more.

OK, up to this point, he was simply operating on the gigilo principle. I guess he rationalized that this is nothin' any old country boy wouldn't have done.

But then he drops the big one.

After siring two kids with the 300 mil lady, John F'n Kerry or his intended Teresa Heinz decided he needed an annulment, ie, a declaration from the Catholic church that the marriage to the 300 mil lady was no true marriage. A lot of people in flyover country are laughing about this one.

So, being able to discern that 700 mil is greater than 300 mil and making an instantaneous decision to pursue the 700 mil gives John F'n Kerry a leg up on the character issue?

Oh, kinda ranks up there with the 'principled stand' he took opposing the Viet Nam war and throwing someone else's medals over the White House fence.

13 posted on 02/03/2004 5:10:36 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: Int
Am convinced that the nation was polarized long before the 2000 election-- the Jacki have resisted all attempts by
the Bush administration to get beyond the vitriol and
divisiveness of that election.Their power and pride was
slapped. I see NO reason to expect this election will be
any less divisive. The Jacki are trying to prove they are
the Only legitimate governing power. And the Republican
pols are reacting according to the games politicians play.
Both sides are equally a threat to a once free people.
Both sides are equally wrong to believe Govt. is the solution.
14 posted on 02/03/2004 5:14:19 AM PST by StonyBurk
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To: BigSkyFreeper; sauropod
I like the fact that Tony Blair has decided to launch an investigation on the OTHER side of the ocean.

I think an investigation will be a good thing..and as usual, the Dems were not too careful in what they "wished for".

I think an in-dept look at the "intelligence umbrella" is long over=due.
15 posted on 02/03/2004 5:15:37 AM PST by Neets (Complainers change their complaints, but they never reduce the amount of time spent in complaining.~)
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To: Int
Focus

Keep the faith and hang in there,
We need you, don’t lose sight.
Your support and yes your vote,
Will make this come out right.
It’s early yet but time moves fast,
So please don’t wait too long.
Let’s pull together once again,
To keep our country strong.
Kerry, Clark, or Howard Dean,
Who knows which one will be.
The one the democrats will pick,
To be their nominee.
The lucky winner gets to run,
A race he must not win.
Yes come November Oh Oh Four,
George Bush it is again!

Conspiracy Guy 1/27/04
16 posted on 02/03/2004 5:17:07 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (This tagline is made from 100% virtual material. Do not remove under penalty of law.)
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To: Impeach the Boy
Deep??
For me, this overused word boils down to one thing: doing what's right in the face of significant personal sacrifice. The candidate I vote for should have demonstrated this at least once during his or her public life.

One current candidate who comes to mind is Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., who made a decision to fight in an unpopular war, Vietnam, then became a principled critic of that same war after he returned to civilian life.

So, Protesting a war you just fought in when you see big approving crowds for such an action and then sudden relaizing that you threw someone else's medals over the White House fence when it becomes fashionable is character?!?
The only thing moderate about this guy is his grasp of basic logic!

17 posted on 02/03/2004 5:18:20 AM PST by e5man_r_u? (A Man's mission: Build, Protect, Provide)
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To: Int
IMHO anyone who is an "undecided" voter at this late date is, shall I say, mentally challenged.





The issues are clear, it's my head that's foggy

18 posted on 02/03/2004 5:21:24 AM PST by G.Mason (Mediocrity in politics is not to be despised. Greatness is not needed.)
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To: Impeach the Boy
There are a lot of brain dead on both ends of the spectrum, too. Liberals that place their faith on the ability of the government to improve their lot in the country, while exactly the opposite happens. Case in point. Welfare recipients, unemployed, ghetto residents in the inner citizens who keep supporting the left.

Then we have the conservative brain dead that follow the rhetoric of the false conservatives. Smaller government, even as government increases enormously, less taxation as expenses are increased dramatically and future generations loaded with debt to be paid. A more humble foreign foreign policy and less intervention even as interventionism increases.

Then we have the brain dead in the center that look at the antics of both parties and decide to visit a pox on both parties by staying home or voting for a third party that fits their values and views. In this group, you have the independent riff-raff of both parties that refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils.

This group controls the eventual outcome of the elections. They have become more conservative in recent years as both major parties align themselves to the left of the political spectrum. Unfortunately, the brain dead leaders of both parties have refused to acknowledge this and keep pandering to the left for their votes.

19 posted on 02/03/2004 5:23:41 AM PST by meenie
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To: e5man_r_u?
Like I said...moderates are NOT thinkers (I was being sarcastic when I labeled them deep thinkers)....This idiot labels Kerry as being principled for throwing medals that belonged to SOMONE ELSE at the White House...then, when Kerry believes HIS medals will help him politically, they are then PROUDLY hanging on his office wall....

The idiot who wrote this mindless article is standing on a soap box screaming, "Hey everybody...look at me...I am a moderate and I am STUPID."
20 posted on 02/03/2004 5:26:33 AM PST by Moby Grape
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