Wesley Clark motorcade busted, gets speeding ticket in Oklahoma

AP ^ | Feb 1, 2004

[JRandomFreeper]

Lots more good driving going on than wrecks. All above 85MPH. And the F-16 pilots that I feed every drill weekend do really well above 85MPH. ;>)

/john

[rollin]

That is Barbara Streisand.

When the interstates were designed, they were designed to be safe at 110 mph in automobiles that were available in 1950.

Today, we have automobiles that are much improved with safety equipment.

The real problem is that it is way to easy to get and retain a drivers license in the U.S.

Reflexes have almost nothing to do with it. Judgement and training is a lot more important!

[Triple Word Score]

Take some college physics courses and get back to me.

I'll wait here for you.

[Samwise]

Hey, Trooper! You rock!

[Kirkwood]

I guess you never noticed but there is a huge difference between driving on a public road and driving a race course. I could be here all day listing all the differences.

[Triple Word Score]

I could post some aircraft accident shots too, but you know the drill. Being lucky isn't the same as being perfectly in control. Human reflexes, of course, fall in a Gaussian distribution like most everything else, but there are orders of magnitude in difference between what 110 mph speeds can demand and what the best human reflexes can achieve in an emergency.

Eventually technology may bridge the gap there with computer control in emergency situations.

[lepton]

Human reflexes aren't up to 85 mph anyway even under perfect conditions.

Must not have met the non-lethargic.

If you follow at safe distances, and it's a suitable road (of which many interstates are), 85 is easily handleable.

[Ann Archy]

Great Picture!!

[Kirkwood]

And how many automobiles driven in the US are safe at 110 mph? Very few. For example, most US cars don't have high performance tires rated for those speeds. Throw in the fact that many cars are poorly maintained and these speeds become dangerous, irrespective of the qualitites of the driver.

By the way, you are wrong about reflexes not playing a role. They play a big role and there are definite limits to what a person is capable of on a public road.

[VaBthang4]

My BMW 735i [I know I know, it's German] will do a comfortable 110....then I chicken out.

[Old Professer]

Try telling 3/4 of the OTR truckers that.

[Triple Word Score]

Yeah, but can the guy behind you and in the lane next to you handle 85 mph, and is everybody's car well-maintained? Is there metal fatigue in your axle, are your brake pads working their way loose? Is everybody on the road sober? Are all loads secured? Is some old lady on the other side of the interstate about to find out that the pain in her chest and arm WAS something to worry about? You can handle 85 mph--can you handle 170? She's coming across the median now, unconscious at the wheel....

[ambrose]

[savedbygrace]

The turnpikes in Oklahoma have speed limit signs that give notice that there is NO TOLERANCE. The speed limit is 75, and that doesn't mean 76, much less 88.

If Clark let his driver get away with lying about setting the cruise control, what other lying by his staff does he allow ?

[savedbygrace]

I spent the past three days in Texas, and I came to the conclusion that in Texas 70 MPH really means 85. And don't you dare get in the left lane doing a mere 75. Move over, and do it in a hurry before somebody drives right over you in their Lexus SUV. (BTW, is the plural of Lexus Lexi? As in, at least a dozen Lexi passed me on their way to Houston for the Toilet Bowl, I mean the Super Bowl.)

[rwfromkansas]

Even if it was set for 83, that still is over the 80 mph (5 miles over) limit he could go without usually getting a ticket.

[rwfromkansas]

Here in KS they generally give you only 5.

[Republican Wildcat]

lol

[gatorbait]

who was driving the lead vehicle carrying Clark and foreign policy adviser Jamie Rubin -- for speeding. Jamie Rubin's name ought to set off red lights all over...

[PhiKapMom]

Thanks for the ping. They will pick up speeders going any over 75 on the toll roads around here. Love it they got Clark. He has been a total Clymer here in OK where he has spent a lot of time!