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Justice Served? Man Serving Life Sentence For Stealing TV
WRAL.com ^ | November 25, 2003 | Gerald Owens

Posted on 02/01/2004 6:36:45 PM PST by Russian Sage

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:55:57 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Russian Sage
I doubt Janklow will serve even 30 days in county for blowing through a stop sign at 70 mph and killing a man.
21 posted on 02/01/2004 7:30:16 PM PST by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: Russian Sage
The sad thing is that they'll probably let the rapists and serial killers out and leave the TV theives in.
22 posted on 02/01/2004 7:51:08 PM PST by tiki
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To: Russian Sage
Our Congressman was convicted of manslaughter for running a stop sign at over 70 mph and killing a motorcyclist and he only got 30 days in jail and in 3 years gets the felony removed from his record.
23 posted on 02/01/2004 7:57:09 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: Mr. Mojo
The problems with articles like this is the author intentionally leaves out half the story. There is no mention of his numerous infractions while in prison. There is no mention of the fact that the 80-year-old woman was home at the time of the robbery and was apparently assaulted. There is no mention of whether or not he had convictions for previous violent crimes. Without all of this information, how is the reader supposed to make a valid judgement?

Of course, the reader is not supposed to. The author of this piece wants to lead the reader around by the nose, to come to the predetermined conclusion.

Let me say that if this person had more than one prior conviction for a violent felony and did, in fact, strike this 80-year-old woman during the course of this home invasion, I have no problem at all with a life sentence. The value of the haul (the TV set) is not important. The nature of the crime is.

To put it another way, if this 80-year-old woman happened to have a Million dollars in her mattress and the thug got away with that, should he deserve a greater punishment? I think not. The crime is breaking in and stealing, not what he stole.
24 posted on 02/01/2004 8:07:21 PM PST by gridlock (I think I'm gonna join the Ricky Proehl Fan Club, if there is such a thing...)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Exactly - the article is a bit misleading. This guy did the crime - he shouldnt' complain about the time. It's not like he didn't know of the penalty.

He CHOSE to commit the crime.
25 posted on 02/01/2004 8:11:27 PM PST by TheBattman (Miserable failure = http://www.michaelmoore.com)
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To: dts32041
How about the chair for tax evasion? And while we're at it why not kill the criminal's relatives as well.
26 posted on 02/01/2004 8:20:15 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Aren't you just dying to see Ken Lay and all the other Enron execs subjected to medieval torture? I doubt it.
27 posted on 02/01/2004 8:23:35 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: Russian Sage
You can't fool me, he just wants one of those new wide-screen plasma wall hangers.
28 posted on 02/01/2004 8:29:24 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: The Great RJ
Well, if you can show that he lay in wait for the motorcyclist and then slammed into him with the express purpose of killing him then I'll consider life imprisonment.
29 posted on 02/01/2004 8:32:46 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Russian Sage
"I don't think I got no justice at all. Not no 33 years for a TV. A black and white TV," Allen said. "I wanted a color TV."
30 posted on 02/01/2004 8:33:21 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Russian Sage
Just goes to show how frivolous we are with punishment for murder. It'a an average of 6 years. This guy 33 years ago, is serving LIFE for stealing a T.V.. It appears that years ago we were alot tougher than today and how today we devalue life -> ~ 6 years for a murder.
31 posted on 02/01/2004 8:37:41 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: liberallarry
All I can say he hasn't stolen anything else for the past few years and he has probably learned a trade.

BTW what do you think of the killer of the little girl getting three years and walking free.

The girl is still dead.

32 posted on 02/01/2004 8:40:41 PM PST by dts32041 (Be treated like a black in the demo rat party, be a conservative and vote for republican.)
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To: dts32041
I think it's acceptable for a society to impose harsh or even draconian punishments - but not to do so selectively.

If small crimes are to be punished harshly then big crimes should be even more so. If you want to sentence a small-time robber to life then sentence big-time swindlers to death by endless torture, together with their friends and relatives.

If you do otherwise then don't call it justice, because it's not.

33 posted on 02/01/2004 8:47:04 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: gridlock
Man Serving Life Sentence For Theft Of TV Seeks Freedom

What evidence do you have for any of your "suppositions"? As far as I can tell you're either making it up, or believing only what supports your prejudices, or both.

34 posted on 02/01/2004 9:08:35 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: Russian Sage
Justice Served? Does Junior Allen's Punishment Fit His Crime?
35 posted on 02/01/2004 9:19:27 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: Russian Sage
Let see he's spent the last 30 years in jail. So exactly how many crimes was he unable to commit in that time. Had he been let loose he'd just do it again and again and again.

Finally a "crime prevention" plan I can support.

I say we change the laws today and make this crime worth at least 25 years.

Good gracious you break into a house and steal an 80 yr olds TV then try to beat her up. And you want sympathy ?

Oh an "they made me a lion" ... "but now I'm a lamb". Your just as much a @#%#$ liar as when you went in. They didn't make you nothing.

36 posted on 02/01/2004 10:47:01 PM PST by festus
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To: Russian Sage
From another report on this case:

Small crime, hard time

What really happened?

In 1970, Junior Allen, then 30, was a migrant farm worker with a criminal history from Georgia: two burglaries, a breaking and entering, a car theft, and a violent assault.

He lived at a work camp near Peacocks Crossroads , close to Benson in southwest Johnston County , where he says he picked cucumbers and tomatoes by day and battled boredom by night.

Just past midnight on July 3, Allen sneaked into Johnson's unlocked home and stole her living room television, a 19-inch, black-and-white Motorola worth $140, according to court records.

Allen hid the TV in the woods near the camp. He was arrested the next month and charged with first-degree burglary.

What happened inside Johnson's house is disputed.

According to the state Department of Correction's official record of the crime , Johnston County sheriff's deputy J.D. Stewart reported that Johnson was home at the time, and she and Allen scuffled. "She was somewhat injured; bruises and scrapes, but nothing serious," the report states.

Melita Groomes , the parole commission's executive director, said the agency denied Allen parole partly because of the attack.

Selma lawyer Ken Hinton , who represented Allen at trial in October 1970, recalled similar facts.

"It seems to me like the woman might have been beaten," he said. "That may be why the judge gave him all that time."

Life for burglary

But Allen's court file contradicts that version of events.

According to court records, prosecutors reduced the charge to second-degree burglary because they couldn't prove that Johnson had been home during the theft. "It was, in effect, a stipulation by the state that the house was not actually occupied at the time," states a 1971 state Supreme Court ruling rejecting Allen's appeal.

Allen's Johnston County jury convicted him of second-degree burglary. Judge James H. Pou Bailey imposed the maximum sentence then available: life in prison.

At the time, a life sentence didn't necessarily mean life, as it does now. It meant, in Allen's case, that he became eligible for parole after about 7 1/2 years in prison. That's when the rejections began.

37 posted on 02/01/2004 11:44:18 PM PST by jordan8
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To: Russian Sage
Its crazy. This guy only stole a TV set and he should have gotten six months in county lock up. But a life sentence? Its not justice not by any stretch of the imagination. And at his age, its highly unlikely he'd commit another crime. Let him out! I mean man, murderer and rapists have served LESS time behind bars than this poor fellow...
38 posted on 02/01/2004 11:48:10 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Restorer
Exactly my point. Its cruel and unusual punishment. I am not soft on crime and don't believe in coddling criminals but there's something wrong with a system that insists on locking up a man, for stealing a TV set a quarter of a century ago, til the day he dies...
39 posted on 02/01/2004 11:49:50 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: claudiustg
Exactly. Its the perverted sense of values... we lock up a man for life for stealing property but let criminals get off lightly for killing a human being - like Lionel Tate and Bill Janklow. A TV set can be replaced while a human life can't. Try telling the difference to the North Carolina Parole Commission!
40 posted on 02/01/2004 11:53:03 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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