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Fight we must to reclaim real 'conservatism'
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | Sunday, February 1, 2004 | Colin McNickle

Posted on 02/01/2004 10:11:32 AM PST by Willie Green

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:03:20 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

What is a "conservative"? What is "conservatism"?

I ask the questions not because I don't know but because supposedly "good conservatives" who have a long history of promoting "sound conservatism" have begun to dangerously rationalize what both are.

Let's take, for instance, GOPUSA, a Web-based group whose motto is "Bringing the conservative message to America." Now three years old, it offers a marvelous Web site (www.gopusa.com) filled with useful links and insightful commentary that rightly and regularly locks and loads on the moronism that is liberalism.


(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatism; leadership; mcnickle; neocons; principles; rinos
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1 posted on 02/01/2004 10:11:33 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
WOW!! I would never put my phone number on something like this! He must have every nut in the country calling.
2 posted on 02/01/2004 10:18:02 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: Willie Green
"It's time for conservatives across the country to ... realize that a Bush loss is far worse than a Bush victory."

There. I have now excerpted the only intelligent comment to be found anywhere within the article in question.

Time save for my average fellow FReeper: three to five minutes.

You're welcome.

3 posted on 02/01/2004 10:19:19 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: Willie Green
Was Reagan "conservative ??"

"When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it. "Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything. "I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: 'I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.' "If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it.'

~~ Ronald Reagan, in his autobiography, An American Life

Today, I surely would be pleased with achieving 75-80 percent of a true conservative agenda.

4 posted on 02/01/2004 10:20:29 AM PST by skip2myloo
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To: Willie Green
even as the democratic party must rescue itself from the takeover of the left (or die), i expect the same sort of upheaval to occur in the republican party in the next decade or so.
5 posted on 02/01/2004 10:20:57 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Willie Green
Bye Colin, and no complaining about a Kerry Presidency.

You brought it on yourself.

6 posted on 02/01/2004 10:22:48 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
Voting for Bush in an effort to avoid a 'certain' Kerry victory (predicted by our resident Nostradamui - but not certain by any means) is capitulation to life without principles - an acquiescence to the Left's mantra of 'the end justifies the means'.

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

Save America from the tyranny of Republican/Democrat hegemony. Support the Constitution Party.
7 posted on 02/01/2004 10:32:54 AM PST by jimkress (Save America from the tyranny of Republican/Democrat hegemony. Support the Constitution Party.)
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To: jimkress
The lesser of two evils is still evil.

And so your car is just perfect, you didn't make a choice of the lesser of two evils in that decision, correct. Same with your house, TV, computer, etc.etc.

You live in a perfect world don't ya, Jim.

10 posted on 02/01/2004 10:39:17 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
My car and my computer may not be perfect, but they are within my budget.
11 posted on 02/01/2004 10:41:21 AM PST by Ches
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To: Ches
LOL! Perfect!!
12 posted on 02/01/2004 10:43:43 AM PST by jimkress (Save America from the tyranny of Republican/Democrat hegemony. Support the Constitution Party.)
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To: jimkress
Short, sweet and to the point. I hope I didn't kill the thread:)
13 posted on 02/01/2004 10:47:55 AM PST by Ches
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To: Dane
We're not talking about less than perfect, we're talking about evil.

Inanimate objects (cars, houses, computers) may be less than perfect, but its hard to personify them as being evil.

Well, computers may be evil :-)

And, the press personifies SUVs - a SUV ran off a bridge, plowed through a house, killed it's driver, etc., etc.

15 posted on 02/01/2004 10:52:28 AM PST by skip2myloo
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To: Willie Green
Yeah, I gotta admit, you did manage to trim it down to match the attention span of the average 'bot.

"The Eleventh Commandment: 'Speak No Ill of Any Fellow Republican'." -- Ronald Wilson Reagan

16 posted on 02/01/2004 10:57:17 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: StarFan; Neets; Howlin; Huber; TaxRelief; MissAmericanPie; Capitalist Eric
PING !!
17 posted on 02/01/2004 10:57:50 AM PST by skip2myloo
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To: Willie Green
Just for the record. I posted that article by Bobby Eberle of GOPUSA and agree with his remarks about the current state of politics in America and more specifically, the 2004 Presidential campaign.

I oppose PresBush on several key issues related to his governing policies. However, no one should be totally shocked by some of the decisions and actions the President has taken in the last three years. After all, to one degree or another, Bush`s current governing agenda was part of his 2000 campaign effort. Bush ran on increasing the Education budget; developing a prescription drug plan; increasing defense spending; and giving American's tax relief. He has accomplished those goals.

On the way to fullfilling his campaign promises, PresBush was faced with an economic recession, a national emergency related to the 9-11 attacks and a subsequent military response to international terrorism, called the War on Terrorism.

PresBush hasn't been, as conservative as I would have liked him to be in office, but if anyone thinks John Kerry, Howard Dean, John Edwards or Wesley Clark would do a better job then GWBush, I have to wholeheartedly disagree. If anyone thinks the answer is to vote for a third party candidate, I have to wholeheartedly disagree with that too.

The President has shown great character, integrity and courage in the aftermath of 9-11 and in his prosecution in the WoT. The President has given American's three different tax cuts that have helped to stimulated the economy out of recession. For all that, PresBush deserves reelection.

Russell Kirk was a conservative thinker. If there was someone around today who could do a better job then PresBush is doing, have success advancing a strict conservative agenda and get elected in the current political environment, I would vote for him or her. Right now, that candidate doesn't exist.

There is no such thing as the perfect conservative and to believe there is, is a fallacy. Ronald Reagan was a great conservative thinker, candidate and President, but even Reagan wasn't perfect. My objective is to make sure the Demlibrat's aren't successful in the upcoming elections and that PresBush is reelected, and the GOP holds onto Congress.

18 posted on 02/01/2004 10:59:37 AM PST by Reagan Man (The choice is clear. Reelect BUSH-CHENEY in 2004)
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but even Reagan wasn't perfect

But Reagan didn't have the majority of the Congress, either.

20 posted on 02/01/2004 11:32:53 AM PST by smokeyb
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