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To: Tijeras_Slim
I repeat myself:
I am opposed to any military action in another Arab country unless we have clear evidence that they weapons of mass destruction or support terrorists and by no other means can be force to stop those activities. Military action without support of the United Nations just causes more hatred in the Islamic world and produces new terrorism.

I do a lot of my business abroad and the climate has already changed so much that I decided to stop trading in Indonesia. If now Richard Perle and the other hawks get even more power it will become more and more difficult to do business abroad at all.

Can you imagine how this helps to gain trading partners in Belgium or Switzerland?:

Hawks tell Bush how to win war on terror
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/12/31/wcons31.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/12/31/ixnewstop.html


President George W Bush was sent a public manifesto yesterday by Washington's hawks, demanding regime change in Syria and Iran and a Cuba-style military blockade of North Korea backed by planning for a pre-emptive strike on its nuclear sites.

The manifesto, presented as a "manual for victory" in the war on terror, also calls for Saudi Arabia and France to be treated not as allies but as rivals and possibly enemies.

The manifesto is contained in a new book by Richard Perle, a Pentagon adviser and "intellectual guru" of the hardline neo-conservative movement, and David Frum, a former Bush speechwriter. They give warning of a faltering of the "will to win" in Washington.

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It may be assumed that their instincts at least are shared by hawks inside the government, whose twin power bases are the Pentagon's civilian leadership and the office of the vice-president, Dick Cheney.

The book calls for tough action against France and its dreams of offsetting US power. "We should force European governments to choose between Paris and Washington," it states.
13 posted on 02/01/2004 10:37:09 AM PST by munozjoe
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To: munozjoe
I suggest you read "Preachers of Hate" by Kenneth Timmerman.

Islamist terrorists have done quite well without having WMD, murdering thousands, some of whom were members of this forum. I see no reason to put any conditions on killing them wherever they are found.

I was also not aware that the islamic world had any particular love for the UN.

The Saudi government is our enemy, they have financed the spread of Wahabbism all over the world, including the US.

Sorry your business is suffering, but it ain't about your business, it's about survival.
14 posted on 02/01/2004 10:45:57 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Come see the violence inherent in the system!)
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To: munozjoe
Military action without support of the United Nations just causes more hatred in the Islamic world and produces new terrorism.

No doubt you also think 9/11 was our fault.

18 posted on 02/01/2004 11:25:46 AM PST by LibWhacker (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com/">Miserable Failure</a>)
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To: munozjoe
"Military action without support of the United Nations just causes more hatred"

They don't give a rat's rump about the support of the UN. Pure smoke. Defeat makes enemies mad - not a revelation. If they are enemies I don't care how mad they are, they can get so mad both eyes pop out and their testicles drop off if that is what floats their boat. Did we ask whether the invasion of Normandy was going to PO the Waffen SS?

Here's my advice. Go to Gaza or the west bank and explain to them how tossing bombs at us and our allies is only going to make us even more mad, and to find away out of this vicious cycle of violence they had better surrender right away. Because it has grown a bit stale over on this end.

70 posted on 02/03/2004 11:58:49 PM PST by JasonC
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