Israel's 'execution' troops face death quiz

Observer ^ | Sunday February 1, 2004 | Conal Urquhart

[goldstategop]

And what's the problem with killing Islamofascists? The result is only one bus bombing last week in Jerusalem and even one is one too many. Its time to hold it to ZERO and the Israeli military should do everything in its power to make sure not one homocide bomber in the offing lives to complete his deadly mission.

[rickmichaels]

Pallies who die without taking any Jews to their deaths along with them probably don't get their quota of virgins. Satan must be disappointed.

[G.Mason]

Do tell, munozjoe, what's your take on this?

[eno_]

It's very hard to dig up the truth, and I sure DON'T assume this article is truthful, but wanton killings deserve the maximum penalty, no matter who does the killing.

[Dr._Joseph_Warren]

Yep. The Israeli policy of killing anyone 'suspected' of being a terrorist is working out really well.

I'm sure if they kill enough Arab bakers, this entire problem will go away.

Why should they change a 30 year policy that has been so successful at bringing peace to Israelis?

[munozjoe]

My take, hm, don't know, difficult topic. A friend of mine is jewish and he explained a lot about how difficult it is to make politics in a country where you always have to be afraid that someone tries to kill you. Of course they have to defend themselves. On the other hand, the more they engage in this strategy of retaliation and isolation with that wall the more the violence escalates and people from outside blame them.

I am new here, I just posted the article because I had read another posting concerning the question whether it is anti-Semite to criticize Israel. Of course it is not, a lot of Israelis criticize their own government. You just have to keep in mind that criticism needs to be constructive. A fruitful exchange of arguments can help to solve a lot of problems. There is no point bashing radical Palestinians. They get raised in an environment of violence and propagande. We need to find a way out of that vicious circle.

[Tijeras_Slim]

New here? Don't post and run.

[LibWhacker]

Pure crap. The leader of the free world can't speak without every word being parsed by these jackals, but laughable Stupidstinian propaganda passes unfiltered through the offices of the Observer.

[Tijeras_Slim]

The way out of the "vicious circle" is to crush the Palestinian leadership, Hamas, the Al Asqua Martyr Brigades, Hezbollah, and then deal with anyone left who wants to be reasonable.

[munozjoe]

I did not run, did I?

[Tijeras_Slim]

Cool. Welcome to FR.

[munozjoe]

I repeat myself:
I am opposed to any military action in another Arab country unless we have clear evidence that they weapons of mass destruction or support terrorists and by no other means can be force to stop those activities. Military action without support of the United Nations just causes more hatred in the Islamic world and produces new terrorism.

I do a lot of my business abroad and the climate has already changed so much that I decided to stop trading in Indonesia. If now Richard Perle and the other hawks get even more power it will become more and more difficult to do business abroad at all.

Can you imagine how this helps to gain trading partners in Belgium or Switzerland?:

Hawks tell Bush how to win war on terror
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/12/31/wcons31.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/12/31/ixnewstop.html


President George W Bush was sent a public manifesto yesterday by Washington's hawks, demanding regime change in Syria and Iran and a Cuba-style military blockade of North Korea backed by planning for a pre-emptive strike on its nuclear sites.

The manifesto, presented as a "manual for victory" in the war on terror, also calls for Saudi Arabia and France to be treated not as allies but as rivals and possibly enemies.

The manifesto is contained in a new book by Richard Perle, a Pentagon adviser and "intellectual guru" of the hardline neo-conservative movement, and David Frum, a former Bush speechwriter. They give warning of a faltering of the "will to win" in Washington.

...

It may be assumed that their instincts at least are shared by hawks inside the government, whose twin power bases are the Pentagon's civilian leadership and the office of the vice-president, Dick Cheney.

The book calls for tough action against France and its dreams of offsetting US power. "We should force European governments to choose between Paris and Washington," it states.

[Tijeras_Slim]

I suggest you read "Preachers of Hate" by Kenneth Timmerman.

Islamist terrorists have done quite well without having WMD, murdering thousands, some of whom were members of this forum. I see no reason to put any conditions on killing them wherever they are found.

I was also not aware that the islamic world had any particular love for the UN.

The Saudi government is our enemy, they have financed the spread of Wahabbism all over the world, including the US.

Sorry your business is suffering, but it ain't about your business, it's about survival.

[munozjoe]

Survival is not easier when you produce new terrorists by killing old ones.
Sorry, now I have to run indeed to have dinner. Hope to be back tomorrow.

[Piranha]

MJ,

You are posting nonsense.

Israel has stopped engaging in simple retaliation and for the past two years has begun proactively fighting terrorism. The only reason why it is not doing more is that the Sharon government promised the US government that it would not physically harm Arafat.

Are you aware that the Israeli government typically has about 20 hot leads on terrorist attacks every day? Are you aware that there have only been about 3 terrorist crossings of the security fence since it has begun?

Israel is going to be isolated by the Islamic world and its lackeys in Europe as long as it continues to resist domination. If that makes it hard for you to do your business in Indonesia and Berlin, too bad for you.

[Mr. Mojo]

According to witnesses and medical evidence, at least two of the 19 deaths during the operation

Yet another 19?

[LibWhacker]

Military action without support of the United Nations just causes more hatred in the Islamic world and produces new terrorism.

No doubt you also think 9/11 was our fault.

[G.Mason]

"My take, hm, don't know, difficult topic......."

I was wondering, as I noticed you were new to the forum, and I wanted to get your take on it.

As you said, "difficult topic".

Welcome aboard.

[montag813]

By the time the army reduced its presence on 6 January, it had killed four gunmen and 15 unarmed civilians including six children.

The term "Palestinian children" it has absolutely no impact on me any longer. The difference between an Arab adult and an Arab child is the difference between a missile in flight and a missile about to be fired. They are all murderous beasts...trained to be so from a very early age. Anyone who watched the Specter Hearings on the PLO's TV and "eductional" materials will know exactly what I mean. There is absolutely no hope for peace with these savages, and the danger increases with every day. ISrael must expel all Arabs or face extinction within 20 years. This could and should have been done in 1967 or 1973. It MUST be done now.