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To: Map Kernow
You can't have tax cuts and huge spending increases at the same time, no matter how "supply side" the tax cuts are. Sooner or later, our means will force a choice, and the temptation will just be overwhelming to sacrifice the tax cuts to the increased spending.

Just like you can't have open borders and a welfare state---the temptation is ultimately overwhelming for politicians to extend welfare benefits to immigrants---whether legal or illegal---, and for immigrants to avail themselves of the welfare benefits instead of jobs.

They may try to have tax increases to pay for increased spending, but that will fail because tax increases will simply result in less economic activity and less revenue. Then they will have to cut spending.

I agree with your comment about open borders and welfare. However, my preference is for getting rid of welfare and having open borders, while most everyone else is in favor of continued welfare and closed borders. I also suspect that 1/3 of those for closed borders do so for purely racist reasons and if the illegals were english, they would be all for welfare and open borders.

41 posted on 02/01/2004 12:49:59 PM PST by staytrue
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To: staytrue
They may try to have tax increases to pay for increased spending, but that will fail because tax increases will simply result in less economic activity and less revenue. Then they will have to cut spending.

They will not cut spending. You're dreaming if you think an entitlement program like Social Security is ever going to pay for itself or have its spending cut.

I agree with your comment about open borders and welfare. However, my preference is for getting rid of welfare and having open borders, while most everyone else is in favor of continued welfare and closed borders.

Yeah, well, guess what? No one's going to get rid of welfare. And immigration both legal and illegal simply gives politicians new clientele for their handouts.

I also suspect that 1/3 of those for closed borders do so for purely racist reasons and if the illegals were english, they would be all for welfare and open borders.

Yeah? Based on what, other than your knee-jerk PC desire to slander as "racist" your fellow citizens who are concerned about the massive problems out-of-control immigration is causing our country? Are you saying that none of those problems would exist if millions of English were entering into our country? Then I'm afraid you're the "racist," aren't you?

58 posted on 02/01/2004 5:51:45 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: staytrue
They may try to have tax increases to pay for increased spending, but that will fail because tax increases will simply result in less economic activity and less revenue. Then they will have to cut spending.

California is currently, a microcosm of what might happen on a national scale if the debt/spending/tax/welfare state system is not rearranged. The balance between economic health/growth and taxation and all that implies is on the line in Cal. The next year or two are going to tell the tale - and demonstrate whether Marxist social/political philosophy is workable. We already know the answer to that - it cannot work over the long run because of a fatal flaw - it ultimately leads to a total economic breakdown precisely because it does NOT encourage individual success because it destroys the INCENTIVE to excel.

Big government and everybody on the take from entitlements ultimately will lead to 95% tax rates - and just who the hell is going to work harder to give it to the lunatics in Congress? Such tax rates also require wage and price controls - and then we are right where the Soviet Union was a decade ago - right on the brink of collapse.

The RATs vision of America is NOT sustainable over the long run - and we are very, very close (one DemoRAT from Disaster) to a total meltdown. You think we can sustain a 50% tax rate over the long term? I say it will NEVER be enough for either the RATs or the Repubos to stay n the road that both major parties seem to be on.

We are caught between a rock and a hard place - those dependent on government entitlement constitute a large and growing segment of society - so large, in fact, that in a way, we are ALL part of the problem since we have been forced into participating in the Social Security/Medicare boondoggle. There is no comfortable way to pare down government at this point without some sort of major civil unpleasantness.

71 posted on 02/02/2004 5:19:08 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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