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Maybe Bush is Right On
Intellectual Conservative ^ | 30 January 2004 | Raymond Green

Posted on 01/31/2004 6:27:08 PM PST by softengine

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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Of course they think moral decay is all Bush's fault.....

EVERYTHING is all Bush's fault! Haven't you read their talking points.
If the "rapture" were to come tonight it would be all Bush's fault!

Floods, famine, earthquakes.......Bush's fault.
Murder, mayhem, malaria......Bush's fault My cat just threw up......you got it.... it's......
41 posted on 01/31/2004 7:41:52 PM PST by hoosiermama (prayers for all)
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To: softengine; Peach
Conservatives must be patient. Change takes time and the liberal agenda has taken 50 years to blossom and corrupt to the extent it has. Conservatives must stay in power,and even then, changes to take back and rebuild a solid core to our country will take TIME! And much patience and effort from the adults in this country.

President Bush in most instances sees the big picture. He also is pragmatic enough to realize that he must give as well as take in order to make progress, even when that progress is painfully slow. He holds his nose at times too, to the concessions he has to make along the way in order to ultimately obtain a greater good.

There's way too much at stake to behave and believe like those who seem to be 12 years old who wander the halls of FR bashing the President and threatening to withhold votes etc in order to "teach Bush and the Pubbies a lesson". In fact, they demonstrate they are no more emotionally or mentally mature than those that hang out over at DU. They demonstrate impatience and a juvenile need for immediate gratification. Their grasp of long-term committment is practicaly non-existent.

It's time for adults to be adults and understand the need for patience, grit and stick-to-it-iveness. That's the way we rebuid America. And supporting Bush's re-election is the next important step in a long line of steps to be taken to that end.

Thanks for the ping Peach.

Prairie

42 posted on 01/31/2004 7:43:13 PM PST by prairiebreeze (WMD's in Iraq -- The absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.)
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To: LonePalm
"Vote Democrat...."

....if you favor partial birth abortion...gay marriage....are soft of terrorism and hate rich people for being more sucessful than you are.

43 posted on 01/31/2004 7:44:44 PM PST by DestroytheDemocrats
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To: inquest
"we desperately need a national energy policy

Why?"

Why not?
44 posted on 01/31/2004 7:44:54 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Afronaut
"Overwhelmingly those given amnesty by Republicans in 1986--voted democrat."
And if they all voted for a Republican it would be alright?
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The writer is making the argument that bush policies that conservatives don't like should be tolerated because they help build a long running republican ruling majority. and with a ruling majority the pubbies could then do more stuff conservatives like.

All I was saying was that according to the terms of the writers own arguement Bush is enacting policies which may help his administration but in the long term--they will do in the republicans.

45 posted on 01/31/2004 7:45:08 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: MJY1288
Prepare for the 12 Pack of Perpetual Pouting Pitchforkers to slither in here and solicit the Constitution Party as an alternative.

lol...ya big meanie! It's a rational postion to take - so it can't be a "true" conservative position.

46 posted on 01/31/2004 7:45:10 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: hoosiermama
...Bush's fault? LOL
47 posted on 01/31/2004 7:48:42 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Four hours is too long for a Democrat to sit in the Oval Office, let alone four years. Vote W '04)
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To: softengine
Politics will outlast President Bush; he simply hopes it is politics dominated by Republicans who can eventually take on the issues we are forced to swallow at present.

I believe he's trying to get that 15-20% independent vote in the middle. If he can get them and by extension have them vote for the Repubs. for Congress that will be a great feat!!

48 posted on 01/31/2004 7:49:19 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: softengine
I think Hillary's Lovely Legs stated it quite beautifully...


49 posted on 01/31/2004 7:49:41 PM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: Afronaut
l. Because the Dems have also been in control of congress for many of those years
2. The liberals are in control of the education systems
3. The liberals are in control of the major media
4. The liberal unions control to much.
5. And to long to continue. It takes a conservative to understand this.
50 posted on 01/31/2004 7:51:10 PM PST by SoCalPol
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
"Why not?" doesn't sound like much of a plea of desperation, which is what the author was trying to put forth.
51 posted on 01/31/2004 7:51:49 PM PST by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
What I mean is if I am trying to decide between a cupcake

1) double choclate fudge

2) plain white

and I pick the plain white cupcake because I have to watch my sugar but I rationalize that the white cupcake is ok...

the lesser of the 2 evils is evil still.
It is still hurting my blood sugar but I rationalize it is ok that I am choosing something not exceptable.

52 posted on 01/31/2004 7:52:20 PM PST by chicagolady
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To: chicagolady
The Lesser of 2 Evils is Evil Still.

Oh good heavens.... are you seriously calling Bush "evil"???

53 posted on 01/31/2004 7:53:35 PM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: chicagolady
I understand what the phrase "lesser of two evils" means (though I strongly disagree with any characterization of GWB as "evil"). Are you advocating that people abandon President Bush, or not? I can't quite tell from your reply.
54 posted on 01/31/2004 7:54:42 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Four hours is too long for a Democrat to sit in the Oval Office, let alone four years. Vote W '04)
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To: ckilmer

Issues & Insights
Monday, February 02, 2004



Global HMO
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

Immigration: For those who think that illegal aliens are a good deal because they will work for such low wages, consider this figure — $9 billion.

That rather large sum is Rep. Dana Rohrabacher's low-end estimate of how much is spent each year on health care for illegal immigrants, not by themselves but by others.

So while illegal alien labor might be cheap for businesses that employ undocumented workers, it isn't, as Rohrabacher points out, for taxpayers.

Rohrabacher arrives at the $9 billion figure by multiplying $21 billion, the amount of uncompensated health care services provided last year by the American Hospital Association's member facilities, by 43%, the estimated portion of the uninsured in the U.S. that are illegal immigrants.

The real number is likely higher than $9 billion. The American Hospital Association represents most — roughly 70% — but not all, of the country's health care providers.

Rohrabacher isn't going after the entire amount yet, though. He's starting out with legislation that would "mitigate the damage" Congress caused by including $1 billion in the Medicare reform bill to pay for emergency health care services for illegal immigrants.

In a budget that exceeds $2 trillion, a billion dollars is a relative pittance. But it will grow faster than a metastasizing tumor.

"I will tell you now," Rohrabacher said last week from the House, "there is no one in this body that does not know and understand that a $1 billion program like this starting off, just opening the door, is going to end up being a $50 billion program 10 years down the line."

Unbelievers should be reminded of the Medicare reform bill that provided $400 billion over 10 years for a prescription drug benefit.

Passed last fall, the law has hardly had time to take shape. Yet the administration is already projecting the cost of the prescription benefit to be $540 billion over 10 years, more than a one-third increase less than two months after it was signed.

Rohrabacher's bill, should it become law, will have, at best, a modest impact on illegal immigration and the costs taxpayers bear for them. But if it stirs people to their senses and leads to an eventual — and rational — denial of health care and other government services to illegal immigrants, it would have a much larger effect.

Too bad the effect would be diminished, because the message of the president's de facto amnesty plan will still provide a strong incentive for more illegals to enter and wait until the next amnesty comes. As long as that's the case, the U.S. will continue to serve as HMO to Mexico, if not the world.


55 posted on 01/31/2004 7:55:11 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea; inquest
CAUSE!

1. Dependancy of Saudi Oil
2. Improving the condition/number of our "electrical plants"
3. Dependancy on Arabic Oil
4. Development of new technology
5. Dependancy on ME Oil
6. Alternative energy sources

I for one would like to delete 1,3,5 of the above. That'll only happen if we do 2,4,6!





56 posted on 01/31/2004 7:57:08 PM PST by hoosiermama (prayers for all)
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To: softengine; PhiKapMom
PhiKapMom, this would be a terrific column for the Bush-Cheney 04 ping list...

He may be taking his voter base for granted; however, he may just be assuming we’re smart enough to figure out what is going on.

The folks on your list are the ones "smart enough to figure out what is going on" ;-)

57 posted on 01/31/2004 7:57:17 PM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: softengine
Great post. I like this reasoned approach to pointing out disagreement, but seeing beyond today to imagine the big picture.

It can hardly be argued that no one..NO ONE..is going to change the mindset of this nation with one wave of the hand in one presidential term.

58 posted on 01/31/2004 7:57:52 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: hoosiermama
Actually, dependency on Mideastern oil can be reduced simply by imposing decent tariffs on it. Once that's done - you know that "invisible hand" that Adam Smith described over two centuries ago and was the basis of our unprecedented economic success in the ensuing generations? That'll take care of 2, 4, and 6.
59 posted on 01/31/2004 8:02:07 PM PST by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Say you've got the Bush Basher's lingo down pat! Go to the head!

If he were as powerful as they give him credit for and really did cause all the things he's accused of, certainly he'd solve ALL of our national problems with in three years of taking office......too bad he's just a human and not Superman, Batman, or God all Mighty.

But then they're all perfect with perfect wisdom, psychic powers, and crystal balls*.......

*Personally I prefer "W"'s brass ones
60 posted on 01/31/2004 8:04:56 PM PST by hoosiermama (prayers for all)
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