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To: AuthenticLiberal
Politics is the art of the POSSIBLE. NO serious candidate is going to advocate withdrawing from the United Nations. President Bush has, however, ignored them when the nation's interest was in conflict with the UN.

And exactly how do you think the Rats will handle the illegals? For goodness sake, their proposals are far worse than Bushs!

Giving the White House to the democrats will also give us a complete new cabinet. You want that? You want a Cohen instead of Rumsfeld? A Sandy Berger type for NSC? Another Janet Reno? Another Madeline Albright?

That's ridiculous. Anyone who doesn't understand the stakes in this election is willfully uninformed.

175 posted on 01/31/2004 8:31:31 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
Here's the rub. Had most of what this Presidnet has either supported, advocated or signed into law as legislation been supported, advocated or signed into law by Al Gore had he become president, there would have been a wail so load, from yourself included, it would have been heard clear out here in flyover country.

I'm a moderate. And yet much of what I see coming from this President's ink pen or thrown out as trial balloons (and I thought this was going to be a White House making decisions without polls ala the last one) makes me wonder where he's coming from. I believe in a certain amount of government in our lives and yet this President supports more than I'm comfortable with. I believe in the we should be kinder to those who have jumped the border, but what he has proposed makes me quiver. I believe in a certain amount of CFR, but what was signed into law (and subsequently held as "it will be struck down") goes beyond my wildest imagination. Oh and yes, it was signed to placate those of us who wanted CFR, but then this was a White House that wouldn't put style over substance ala the last one.

183 posted on 01/31/2004 8:43:41 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: Miss Marple
just what do you stand for? Bush handling the illegals has so far been exactly what the Democrats would do. His attorney general has shown the same lack of concern with application of the law as Janet Reno on most issues (note: most, he isn't QUITE as bad). Rumsfeld has consistently attacked the Army and acted like he's too good to be advised by people who actually know how to run the Army. Powell is a flaming lefty on most domestic issues. I am informed, that's why I look at Bush and think that either way we're going to collectively get screwed as a nation. The man is an enabler on domestic spending. He has not vetoed a single bill yet and that has sent a message to every spender in his party: if you pass it'll sign it, no matter what. You can stick your head in the sand all you want, but barring Edwards or Clark winning the nomination I'll vote for a Constitution Party candidate. I want my vote to remind that prick Rove that the Conservative and Right-Libertarian vote does get out and go to parties that reflect instead of sitting at home and crying to mama.
184 posted on 01/31/2004 8:44:01 AM PST by AuthenticLiberal
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To: Miss Marple
You couldn't be more right Miss Marple, but it doesn't matter. It's hard for people to see.

On domestic issues, President Bush is not a conservative dream. At best, he is a moderate, and he campaigned as a moderate ("compassionate conservative"). He campaigned on guest-workers and prescription drugs for seniors. He didn't lie, he didn't deceive. Maybe conservatives lied to themselves, and the biggest lie of all was telling themselves that it would be easy to counteract the 60 years of socialism that have been inflicted on this country.

But on foreign policy, Bush is absolutely the best conservatives can hope for right now, and again he is not perfect, but it would be a disaster to have anyone else. The War on Terror is REAL and he is the only one who will fight it. But if conservatives don't act like they believe it is real, how will they ever convince the rest of the country?

Bush is not going to move much more to the right than he is right now, unless he has strong reason to do so.

Conservatives must face this reality. If you want a more conservative president, you must wait until 2008, and then conservatives will have a hard battle on their hands because the country is probably going to be drifting left (because that's how the pendulum swings).

Conservatives have to take the Congress, that is the only hope. If you want more conservative justices, the repeal of CFR, a decrease in spending, to fight illegal immigration, take Congress. If you want to do anything about the quickly eroding social values of this country (Bush is an ally here, don't forget, unless you want this to turn into Rome), take control of your states.

Don't abandon the "big tent" Republican party, learn from the Socialists and TAKE IT OVER. This has to be done on a grass-roots level, starting with your mayors, your governors, your state legislatures. Your next President will probably be a governor. Wouldn't it be prudent to get more conservative governors who can be potential presidential candidates?

And ultimately, most importantly, conservatives must control Congress. This is how the Socialists did it. This is the only way to fight them. They are fighting amongst themselves, now is the time to STRIKE. Not fight amongst yourselves.
196 posted on 01/31/2004 8:56:22 AM PST by DameAutour
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